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Charity: The new big business.

quelquod
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Re: Charity: The new big business.

This is nothing but a typical newspaper selling campaign - as usual tells half the story and makes a headline out of it. The comments above show how easy it is to whip up a bit of righteous outrage amongst folk who give (for many) a miniscule proportion of their wealth to these good causes.
Taking the heart Foundation as an instance, they run a huge network of shops with relatively huge lighting, heating, fitting and maintenance costs. They also run a large fleet of vans which are out all day collecting donations. They have to purchase the usual large quantities of consumables, collection bags and the like that any large organisation would. On top of that they run large advertising campaigns on TV (paid for) and in the very newspapers who produce these half-truths and which charge them of course for the advertising space they take. All of these costs come out of the gross income which the newspaper story forgets to mention.
Ask any businessman how he would compare his income with his profit for a clearer explanation of how the real world operates.
Bad news sells newspapers and my goodness it's easy to see how.
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Re: Charity: The new big business.

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Taking the heart Foundation as an instance, they run a huge network of shops ...

Which in terms of financial efficiency is not terribly good except in employing charity workers.
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Re: Charity: The new big business.

@quelquod,
You make some good points but some firms make a good profit on the money they collect for the various charities, there have been several reports / financial statement that show some do much better than others when comparing the % of money that actually goes to the charity.
Last year there were reports of certain well known firms selling christmas cards where part of the profit would go to charity but the actual sum was little more than a few pence per card.
As someone stated in an earlier post many charities have lost the good will of a large section of the public.
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@quelquod,
some firms make a good profit on the money they collect for the various charities, there have been several reports / financial statement that show some do much better than others when comparing the % of money that actually goes to the charity.

Absolutely, but that's a different point entirely. In effect these firms increase their prices by the proportion 'they donate' to charities, so that it's the public who do the contributing whilst the firms claim the moral high ground at no significant cost to themselves. Some companies which collect surplus clothing etc. also give a proportion to a charity and use the charities' name to bolster their advertising - a bit of a dubious practice, but no skin off the charities' nose I guess.
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Which in terms of financial efficiency is not terribly good except in employing charity workers.

This is simply not the case, as goods sold through the shops make more than an order of magnitude more than those disposed of in bulk. The charity workers of course are unpaid aside from the manager.
The shops do well. The point missed (not unknowingly) by the Press is that though the proportion of income available to the charity is lower, the actual amount is greater. Lies, damned lies and statistics as usual eh?
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Re: Charity: The new big business.

@quelquod I think you need to look a little deeper. I  have a relative working for one the major charities. I can assure you he and his colleagues are paid rather well for his IT role in the organisation. A browse of the charities accounts will reveal executives being paid more than the Prime Minister. You should also remember those commercial organisations to whom the Charities outsource collection, they make a tidy profit. Think of the Chuggers who pursued people on the street and knocked on front doors, they were doing it for money.
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Re: Charity: The new big business.

But we were talking about the shops and your earlier comment was as to their 'financial efficiency' not the 'head office' salaries. I work in one and I can assure you that we are all volunteers. Perhaps you have a magic formula for hiring quality senior staff for peanuts, but most people would expect monkeys. It's easy to sit outside and throw stones.
Comparisons with the Prime Minister's salary smack of desperation. Many engineering staff earn more and many senior executives much, much more. I did myself. Chalk and cheese.
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before they became corporate businesses lobbying law makers using paid shills they operated as charities with very frugal overheads, the so called "cleanup" enacted during the labour years made it easier for people to suck vast sums of cash out of charities with seemingly zero oversight, back before everything surged into grandiose they had core teams of dedicated people who took a small stipend and were mainly lead by the partners of big business leaders (who for their own reasons wanted something to do while hubby was at work) and now they are just big business operating under the veil of charity as unofficial tax collectors on the sheeple
your argument about monkeys would have held more weight before the days of the Savile enquiry and the collapse of KidsCo but clearly they were operating a policy of greed over need and lets see how much we can milk from the country rather than looking after the intersts of the needy,
another great example of this would be the Oxfam clean water campaign earlier this year, there's the token shill on the tv making sound bites about how thye have stockpiled thousands of water cleaning kits in a warehouse but without your cash we cant ship it out.... total lies if they could afford to buy 1 million kits they could of instead bought half a million and shipped them over as well, and another thing they don't make clear they bought every kit on the market to drive the price up so other charities couldn't afford to buy them, and thus prevented a competing campaign from being run which is pretty much the same way apple operated with small lcd screens to prevent other companies producing tablets ...... you pay big business operators big business money and you operate in the exact same ways like all the capitalist sharks when running what was a socialist initiative and you end up with a corporation under a different name that has the benefit of saving on employment costs by duping members of the public into working for free under the notion that they are helping the poor/suffering people to somehow obtain a better life and then they defend the companies accounts as it shows at least 20% of the monies raised actually went to those good causes.....
all the time briding officialdom to further smooth the way for it to continue operating as a snake oil sales team knowing full well that the day to day lives of those it purports to help will be no better after their latest 10 day initiative than they were before it started /
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Re: Charity: The new big business.

What an astonishing tirade, not even rising to the level of the Daily Mirror.
Ah well!  Happy Christmas!
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