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Car Prices

Looks like the government are considering ending production of new cars that use petrol or diesel from 2035....

It will be interesting to see what happens regarding car prices ....will the price of new and second hand cars using the internal combustion engine see a massive drop in prices or could the opposite occur if problems with electric cars become a problem for owners....

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@gleneagles wrote:

will the price of new and second hand cars using the internal combustion engine see a massive drop in prices or could the opposite occur


I suppose that would depend on the ifs.

If there's no complete ban on them in less than a decade after.

If there's no massive penalties and restrictions running them.

If that was the case I would expect second hand prices to rocket.

 

One thing I was wondering, how will a lot of garages cope in the aftermath?

 

 

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@gleneagles 

Ending of sales by 2035 not production although I suppose it's the same thing.

Given that a new car lasts an average of what, ten years, then I don't suppose there would be any point in buying one after say 2030 as the second hand market will nose dive if it hasn't started to already

Maybe leasing is the answer?

But the motor trade should know all this and they do, which is why we are all being bombarded with adverts telling us to buy new electric cars.... which very few people can afford.

I'd love one, but could only buy one in my dreams.

Cart before the horse eh, both of which we'll be driving soon the way things are going. 


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Cannot disagree with this either.

The government plan to ban sales of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is mad. Electric cars are great. But until they cost less, no longer rely on subsidies, and the right infrastructure is in place, this policy has no hope of working, says @Robspiked
 

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No it's not mad. It's 15 years notice to the automotive industry and the power grid that they need to get their act together and start investing in a captive consumer audience.

Electric cars are on sale NOW. That's going to increase and grow due to legislation forcing it to. That means more and more entering the marking. As battery tech gets better (which with constant R&D it will) more of the older cars will be sold off (just like with petrol and derv). Petrol and Derv cars will waste away naturally.

15 years is a long time. I was saying on this forum years ago that the government needed to legislate to force these industries into action - they'll only invest if they see growth and if that growth is guaranteed by legislation then they will invest in newer tech.

Personally I think 2035 is far too long. 2028 would have been far better.

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The pivotal moment will be when the petrol stations start closing, either through lack of trade or Government decree.

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More gradual than pivotal as investment in building new petrol stations/garages ends and maintaining existing ones decline. Hard to imagine what they can convert to other that short stop charging points although no doubt some young entrepreneur is already thinking about it. After all, change brings opportunities, right?


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The pivotal moment will be when the petrol stations start closing, either through lack of trade or Government decree.


If there's one thing you can be guaranteed of thats the automotive industry finding ways to survive. It's proven that decade after decade.

We'll no doubt have swappable batteries, charging points, hydrogen pumps, Mr Fusion fuel points etc. Don't forget some will still sell petrol / derv for the older vehicles that need it (eg HGVs which will be very hard to power from batteries for hundreds of miles).

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I guess they said the same thing about farriers, blacksmiths and saddlers and of course they did survive - sort of anyway. My maternal grandfather for example was actually "the last farrier" in the town where he lived.

More town than country, like many close to the 'travelling community' he ended up tarmacking peoples drives so they could park those bloody cars. From.just about everybody using or owing horses it went to the privileged few on the edge of town and became more specialists than mainstream, more Fiona and her pony, and less Fred and his old nag.There will still be cars in the same way but they will be few and far between needing a special permit to run on special days like that London to Brighton run which ironically runs right past Grandads old house still there on the A23.

No more piles of horse poo in the road, no more exhaust fumes filling the air... and few if any places selling petrol or diesel. 

 


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Good plans until some economic / supply / environmental / engine advance changes everything and they all disappear / get put off in the blink of an eye.

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I'm still waiting to see what the government / industry answer is to the millions of people currently living in apartments / flats / houses with no suitable off street parking where they can install a EV charging point.

Until that is sorted people are going to not want to purchase an EV.

Where I work, part of site is a new build which has 6 EV charging points in the car park all locked out of use as they haven't put a payment structure in to charge people to use them yet.
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@PowerLee 

Should that be a problem though given that most people do not have a petrol pump in their front gardens.

Not quite the same but even so if the car needs to fill up I pop down to the petrol garage, so for those in flats or apartments either a set of 'community charging points' or just pop down to the nearest charging point in town or wherever.

Another use for those jump leads we don't seem to use so much these days.?

Horses for courses and it'll sort it self out. 

 


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@Minivanman How long does it take to fill your car with fuel...10 mins and how long is going to take to fully recharge your electric car..a lot longer that 10 mins. Would you be prepared to sit in your car for say an hour???Wink

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@billnotben  said "Good plans until some economic / supply / environmental / engine advance changes everything"

Will most people even be travelling anywhere in 2035 - fifteen years forward? 

Take a look at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-51360645/portl-s-holoportation-booth-lets-users-beam-in-liv...  and remember that it is less than 13 years since the first iPhone hit the market (2007), and it was only in that year that LCD TV's surpassed sales of CRT TVs. Imagine what the next 15 years might do to holoportation technology.

I have the same problem with spending on HS2! Will anyone need it by the time it gets built?

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I think some of you are worrying prematurely.

Like i said we'll no doubt have swappable batteries - just like calor gas bottles. You'll pull up, swap the battery at the fuel station and drive off with the replacement leaving the exhausted one at the garage to be recharged.

Also consider that the national grid will have to upgrade its capacity to carry electrons anyway so more and more charging points are going to start appearing. Councils will start putting in charging ports at the side of the roads (if the grid doesn't) and you'll have a special card you swipe in order to pay for your charge (credit / debit card, ANPR etc - anything that can identify who's paying for the charge).

Or we'll have hydrogen...

Or Mr Fusion

Or...

 

Like i said earlier the autmotive industry is good at adapting and with a captive consumer base being forced into the non petrol / derv market things are guaranteed to change. I don't think we'll see any one particular fuel / power source now, I think we'll start seeing multiple energy sources for vehicles.

I was saying to someone yesterday that with the huge cooling tanks at nuclear power sites it would make sense for them to split the water onsite and create hydrogen - they have some of the largest water reservoirs and plentiful access to electricity which would also save having to send that electricity down the wire to create hydrogen at a different site.

One thing is for sure though, large HGVs carrying tons and tons of weight won't work well with batteries. Those will have to be hydrogen or remain as diesel as the sheer amount of current drain going up a hill would be immense.

 

But even right now, many of you can cut down on your fuel usage by using gearbox braking. Going down a steep hill? - Change into 3rd and most ECUs will pretty much shut of the fuel supply to the engine meaning you're getting a free ride. Need to slow down? - Gently slip into 2nd (gentle clutch usage is key here - unless you're in an automatic which will be more forgiving). I was proper skint a while back and having to still take my boy to nursery i had to find a way to make my fuel last longer. I don't use the air con (it's broken), I don't rev heavily / stay in low gear for long and there was little else i could do from the usual tips to make the juice last longer. Then i remembered James May once saying on top gear about how braking uses energy. Sure enough he's right. The brakes are ultimately powered by the engine - which is trying to propel the car forwards and then you hit the pedal and it basically not only has to stop the momentum of a huge lump of metal but fight itself trying to propel the car forwards. I started using the gearbox to slow the car down / gain free mileage down hills.. my fuel economy DOUBLED. The MPG meter reads 999mpg - up from 17-33mpg while driving. This means the fuel injection system has effectively shut down / uses minimal fuel to keep ticking. So.. even with an older car you CAN still recover / save energy from slowing your car down without all that fancy energy recovery braking tech...

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