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Barking Tories Act 2015

Steve
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Barking Tories Act 2015

PM to ' fast track ' counter terrorism laws, fast track is all the rage these days you know. 
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“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone. It’s often meant we have stood neutral between different values. And that’s helped foster a narrative of extremism and grievance,” Cameron will tell the National Security Council. “ This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach

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Tory government will also be free to introduce its new ‘Snoopers’ Charter’, which would allow authorities to monitor records of phones, emails and other metadata, now that they are unencumbered by their former-Lib Dem coalition partners.

http://rt.com/uk/258105-new-anti-terror-law/
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jab1
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Love your reading material, Steve.
But that is old news - sure I saw it on the BBC news website before the election.
Just saying, like. Grin
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Quite likely a lot of things are being monitored now, makes more sense for the government to be honest and admit what they are doing.
Clearly this type of thing infringes peoples right to privacy but there are so many criminals, scammers and terriorists using this medium the government have little choice in taking this action.
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wow posted on may 13th edited on may 15th and yet still no official publication on a reputable media outlet ?

Russia today has been full of such speculative garbage for years, just look at the coverage of the Ukraine crisis or the way they reported the annexation of Crimea, we got to watch the show live on 24 hour news yet they somehow managed to get the commie sympathisers to understand what happened in a totally different order to the events that actually took place !
not surprised you would resort to reading such tripe though given your deep sympathies with the pure communism ideals that represent nothing more than pie in the sky /
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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It is in other newspapers nanotm and as jab1 said he saw it on the BBC
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it was in other papers as something the libdems were crying the Tories would do if they got total dominance in the next parliament, and it was published back in 2014 when they defeated the snoopers charter (as they called it) and repeated several times in the run up to the election.
changes to the Anti terrorism laws were always going to be required since all the previous versions have had end dates and review periods, posting apparent speech quotes for something that wasn't due to be done for several days and likely didn't have a speech prepared for it seems more like they are creating the news than reporting it, strangely enough that's exactly what RT does the majority of the time !
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Love your reading material, Steve.
Why thank you would you say it's better than the Daily Mail?
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changes to the Anti terrorism laws were always going to be required since all the previous versions have had end dates and review periods,
But we already have a number of laws which allow police and counter-terrorism officers to monitor and arrest anybody suspected of being involved in terrorism, or in planning a terrorist attack. Or am I wrong?
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Love your reading material, Steve.
Why thank you would you say it's better than the Daily Mail?

As Mav said 'nope'  Grin , but as I never read a newspaper these days (even an on-line one), it is possible.  Cheesy
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We already have all this in operation, it's only to curry favour with the general public  Wink
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changes to the Anti terrorism laws were always going to be required since all the previous versions have had end dates and review periods,
But we already have a number of laws which allow police and counter-terrorism officers to monitor and arrest anybody suspected of being involved in terrorism, or in planning a terrorist attack. Or am I wrong?
yes and no, current at laws expire soon and must be replaced, the range scope and regulations surrounding collection of information and application of laws requires updating.
Currently a visa warrent can be issued in a secret hearing on the most spurious grounds, the proposal is to get rid of the secret court system and just have the judge issue abench warrant as with any other criminal evidence gathering procedure, it's also to change the info made available and how it is handled and who holds onto it for how long.
The new proposal is for only metadata to be collated by the intelligence units, the actual content would be stored on the provider servers and only provided once a warrant is issued for it, that's a huge change in methodology and implementation which takes the country amassive step back from teetering on the edge of being a police state where rights don't apply..

The snoopers charter side that allows a judge to issue a communications embargo for a selected period with regular reviews and so on actually allows for common sense to be used with each case, yes in the first instance there is no hearing for the accused to question the case against them but they do get a day in court over it, and it's no different to a gagging order accept it can be applied for 48 hours by a chief constable before judge is required to uphold or cancel it, with regular judicial reviews until the hearing so that proportionality is retained and peddlers of extremism are prevented from spreading the perversions they currently can't be stopped from doing so until after they have been in court, which can be months or years.
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Quite likely a lot of things are being monitored now, makes more sense for the government to be honest and admit what they are doing.

To a point I think you're right.
I don't like this snoopers thing or the idea of them watching everything i do online but at the same time at least they're being honest about what they've been doing secretly at GCHQ for years. We all knew what they were up to anyway, this just makes it legal for your local crooked bobby or councillor to make your life 'interesting' if they want to  Roll eyes
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No problem really. As an ex-policeman said to me many years ago "if  necessary we can always get them under the Breathing Act" Smiley
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