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BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

techguy
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BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/17/bt_livingstone_fibre_threat/
Time for the infrastructure to be nationalised I say and let BT and others rent capacity.
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

So where will the money come from  Grin
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

shareholders are sucking the lifeblood of business and blocking necessary development.  if you think a business worth investing in, lend it what you will and get it back in a few years.  do not expect interest.  do not expect dividend.  why don't we ban usury and get rid of that obscene casino in the city?
no-one should be allowed to speculate with any but its' own money.  we're in the dreadful mess we're in because stupid, greedy sharks played betting games with other people's money, so, of course, they couldn't care less when they lost it.  they got their bonuses just the same.
techguy
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

I got an idea
Lets tell the International Olympic Committee to go and bleed someone else dry, if Seb Coe wants the Olympcs that badly, give him a begging bowl and let him go and secure the funding from companies.
Peraonally I blame Thatcher as she gifted infrastructure to a company that is now in a position to hold the country to ransom because we are so heavily dependent on telecoms.
Ofcom should tell them to get on with the deployment or hand back the infrastructure to the government.
Once its laid its laid, its really only the quipment at the ends that needs upgrading.

Makes me fuious reading about this.
itsme
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

We already have fibre in the street supplied by a company called Virgin Media. So why can't BT use this in the same way that BT have to allow third parties is use their copper?
Superuser
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

I think BT are forced to share because of their market share, whereas Virgin Media aren't required to share their network, so they keep it to there self.
Phil
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

Even though Virgin media in the past had more customers than BT?
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

I suppose I can see a couple of sides to this but I think we have to temper it with the fact that this is "some" shareholders sounding off, not all of them. Some of the other online articles are a wee bit less sensationalist about this than good old El Reg.
From a purely business and commercial perspective and I'm being entirely non BT here Smiley I can semi understand the reluctance of any PLC pouring their shareholders cash into something which will ultimately (and rightly) be regulated and every dog and his brother will get a peice of thus potentially reducing the return for investors.
Now thats the purely commercial approach. As itsme highlighted, BT must open up its network to all and sundry whilst no other telco is compelled to do the same thing. It's not a level playing field. I know this has the potential to open up a whole world of debate, but purely from an investors perspective I can sometimes see where they are coming from, be they right or wrong is another matter entirely.
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

Rumours in BT Openreach is that it may be sold off. If so wlll BT or the new owners of Openreach be charged with the supply of fibre to the home?
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

Indeed - why shouldn't the national fibre network and equeipment be similar to the roads, railways and waterways:
owned by the government and run by seminationalised company.

Virgin Media fibre only covers cities and large towns - but it does have trunk networks between some - like the one between Edinburgh and Dundee - which is routed along the railway - over Forth and Tay Bridges
James
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

Yep.
Why should BT be forced to invest vast amounts of cash, just for their investment to be regulated (as it currently is) and not ultimately reap the rewards from what has been invested in.
Whilst yes, they may be a concern that a few shareholders have voiced their opposition, I don't think the view should be taken that it's a case of BT digging their heels in and stating that they won't invest in such a project.
I'm with Mal.  If the government wants a fibre network so badly, they should be investing in it themselves.
techguy
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Re: BT trying to throw its weight around on fibre deployment

Quote from: itsme
Rumours in BT Openreach is that it may be sold off. If so wlll BT or the new owners of Openreach be charged with the supply of fibre to the home?

Shall we have a whipround to buy openreach?
Smiley