BT Wholesale FTTC New Price Lists for service provider

[#1]

FTTC 80/20 £16.00 pm

FTTC 160/30** £19.00 pm

FTTC 330/50** £23.00 pm

**FTTC with G.Fast only

as affect from 1st September 2017 (all prices are exc vat)

https://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/help-and-support/pricing/service-provider-price-lists.htm

[#2]

No mention of the 55/10 ?

[#3]

@rongtw Look at line 50. It's £15 per month.

I guess this is only part of the story. Is the Marlet 1 rip off surcharge to be found elsewhere? I was looking to try to determine whether it is true that this charge is only added for ADSL customers and PN are profiteering by also charging fibre customers extra. I did try asking PN this question but they refused to answer.

[#4]

You won't find any differing Market A / Market B wholesale prices for WBC services (ADSL2+, FTTC, FTTP) anywhere because there aren't any.

[#5]

PN if the above information correct with regards to Market A wholesale pricing is the exact same as Market B for ADSL2+, FTTC, FTTP , if so why are you charging more, 

Given the above the only product that cost's more to provide is ADSL?

@ejs if the ISP is not charged any extra (PN charge extra for all broadband products on Market A) for providing the above services at Market A (than B), I assume PN is giving out incorrect information saying that it does 

https://www.plus.net/help/broadband/broadband-prices-around-the-uk/

You can get Plusnet broadband almost everywhere in the UK. But in some places our prices are a bit higher. That's because it costs us more to provide broadband there. We call those places non-low cost areas.

[#6]

They're charging more to get more money, it's obviously been a very effective strategy because they've been getting away with it for years. That or their billing system will continue to add £7.50 in areas that were once classified as Market 1 until the end of time.

@ITWorks

Plusnet's page cleverly makes no mention of any wholesale prices, it says it costs Plusnet more to provide broadband in those areas, which could be due to those customers taking up more support time or using more bandwidth (for example).

Since you're a Superuser, you can discuss the issue with Plusnet.

[#7]

Thanks for your response @ejs I certainly will discuss this with them.

I thought the higher pricing was imposed by OFCOM (years ago ) to try and encourage LLU providers to put their equipment in the exchange, once LLU was in the exchange, the exchange could be often changed to Market B ( or 2 or 3 as once known)

[#8]

I try to work out with line rental including and Plusnet to add profit, support, other things to add on before selling to the customer below if they ever to release new G.Fast product anytime this autumn or winter:

FTTC 80/20* £38.99 pm (inc line rental)
FTTC 160/30*** £46.98 pm (inc line rental)
FTTC 330/50*** £51.99 pm (inc line rental)

*FTTC only
***FTTC with G.Fast

[#9]

I can't make any sense of those numbers

From the opening post FTTC 80/20 £16 x 1.2 = £19.2 incl VAT

From https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/pricing/loadProductPriceDetails.do?data=%2BrBpMW3XM9a...

Line rental £8.67 per month including VAT

Total £27.87 per month including VAT

[#10]

@Oldjim Plusnet have to make a profit out of it. Total £27.87 per month including VAT, so Plusnet will add £11.11 a month for their profit. So, they sell it to customer at £38.98 a month for FTTC 80/20 with line rental inc VAT.

I wish I have that £27.87 per month (would be nice)

[#11]

Except that the current offer price is £29.99 per month plus £25 activation 12 month contract for 80/20 or £33.50 no special offer 18 month contract £25 activation fee

[#12]

Yes new customer always get a better deal as PN no longer interest on long term loyalty customer will not match new customer price. Have to switch ISP every 12 months to get a best deal but swap over ISP can be hassle.

[#13]

There's a lot of other things Plusnet have to pay for, such as bandwidth at upwards of £40 (ex. VAT) per 1 Mbit per month.

[#14]

Of course until Plusnet bring in 40/10 they are at a disadvantage as I can get that from TalkTalk for £25 so it gives a good argument for when I call customer options when my present deal runs out

[#15]

I think PN will have to bring in 40/10 product right now. But, I think it not gonna to happen until next April 2018. Disappointed as PN doesn't seem care to listen to customers anymore.

PN is not good as it use to be. They going downhills now with more expensive, less of offers, lack of support on live chat, phone call, waiting too long, cut down on staffs.