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BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

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I bet most of the exchanges not being upgraded will be market 1 which means that we will continue to pay more for an inferior connection. Angry Angry Angry

In the town I live there are two market 3 exchanges that have not been upgraded and just out of the town a market 1 has, so don't know how BT decide which and when exchanges are upgraded. Also not sure why BT made the announcement and select 2014 as must of the exchanges that are 21CN I would say at least 70% have been moved off 20CN already.
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

Had an email from Pn last week informing me that our little old exchange at Harwich has been upgraded to 21CN, should I get excited over this or will i see no difference? Undecided If I can remember correctly they said that my line will be subject to various speeds over the next week or so Sad
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

[quote=geoffp0]... exchange at Harwich has been upgraded to 21CN, should I get excited over this or will i see no difference?
Try putting your current downstream attenuation into the Kitz Maximum adsl speed calculator and that will give you an idea of potential speeds and an indication as to whether you should get excited or not  Wink
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

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Also not sure why BT made the announcement and select 2014 as must of the exchanges that are 21CN I would say at least 70% have been moved off 20CN already.

I've not seen anything that suggests that any exchange has had the 20CN services turned off yet. It is possible that there may be some ISPs who still only have the old 622 pipes and don't yet have any 21CN host links. I think this announcement means that their users would be cut off.
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

BT Nears Final Phase of UK Retirement for 20CN Broadband ISP Services
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BT’s strategy to retire their older 20th Century Network (20CN) based broadband ISP services (e.g. 8Mbps ADSL / IPStream Connect products) remains on course to begin its final phase in October 2013, which by 31st March 2014 should see related services being removed from a total of 2549 telephone exchanges around the United Kingdom.

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It’s expected that 20CN will, from October 2013, be retired at a rate of around 400 exchanges per month.

Has anyone seen any sort of rollout schedule for this ?
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

I've got a copy of the rollout and closure plans.
Over the last few years we've been bulk migrating all of our customers that can get WBC across to it. We are now down to the last few. There are about 200 customers left on IPStream on exchanges that are due to be closed at the end of October. All of those customers will be moved to WBC before that date. The same applies for any exchanges that are due to close in the following months.
There are more exchanges being enabled for WBC, 192 are due to be done between now and the end of March. As each one gets enabled we are bulk moving the customers across to WBC and where appropriate upgrading them to ADSL2+ and increasing their upload speed. For example, Shipdham is an exchange that's being enabled in the next 2 weeks and all our customers on that exchange will be moved in bulk to WBC on 10th September.
There will still be exchanges (several thousand) which will still have IPStream but not WBC ADSL2+. In some cases we are seeing areas get fibre that haven't been enabled for ADSL2+ so some people are skipping a technology when they upgrade but there are no plans to remove IPStream where WBC ADSL2+ isn't available. The BDUK funding could see more areas like this and we might see more exchanges get WBC.
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@'dave' - what can you tell me about the 'Purleigh' (EAPUR) exchange, from your rollout and closure plans ?
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

I just wish I could get a proper working faster than 448kbps upload without having to wait for Wiltshire's BDUK program to reach our exchange which is currently shown as late 2014. Angry
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

2014 ! - that is two years ahead of Essex BDUK who haven't even worked out which exchanges they are doing yet !
YouTube video -> Superfast Essex Contract Signing
By the end of 2016 when BDUK roll-out in Essex is completed, it is reckoned that only 17.4% will have speeds >= 65Mbps, 10% of VDSL lines won’t even get speeds higher than 24Mbps, leaving 21.7% of Essex left with speeds <= 24Mbps.
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

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@'dave' - what can you tell me about the 'Purleigh' (EAPUR) exchange, from your rollout and closure plans ?

Not on the WBC rollout list and not currently on the FTTC rollout list so will be keeping IPStream for the foreseeable future.
Probably falls under the Essex BDUK bid, latest I can find on that is here:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5840-essex-creeps-forward-with-its-bduk-project.html
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

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I just wish I could get a proper working faster than 448kbps upload without having to wait for Wiltshire's BDUK program to reach our exchange which is currently shown as late 2014. Angry

Ah, you should should be so lucky
I'm in one of Oxfordshire's 'white classified areas' from the detailed intervention area map recently released.
So I'm due to get nothing at all under BDUK  - or presumably ever.
My cabinet is presumably in the list of the final 10% of too hard/expensive  to fix places (I'm 100 yards away from it)
Not to worry, at least I do have a half decent ADSL2+ service
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

Thanks 'dave', unfortunately you have confirmed what I had gleaned from other sources, which is that I will be stuck with "up to" 7.15Mbps ADSL1 until at least the end of 2016, assuming that the exchange upgrade projects don't slip any further.
It is a shame, because if a BT man knocked on my door right now and said do you want an ADSL2+ or fibre connection, my hardware is completely ready to go, just plug it in.
I will now have to consider rebuilding my Squid HTTP caching proxy, to increase the effective bandwidth of my connection, and see whether I can get it to also act as an IPv6 tunnel endpoint.  That'll keep me quiet over the winter months !
I suppose, the only 'silver lining' for me, is that I will not get caught out with the recent Plusnet price hike on broadband only products, as I won't even have the opportunity to change products (to fibre broadband) for a minimum of THREE YEARS, if at all !
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

I've been on adsl 2+ for some time now, but it really would be nice to  get even a quarter of 8 Mb downstream  Sad
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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

Today the SuperFast Essex initiative released their Initial Modelling Broadband Roll-Out map.
It looks like FTTC is never going to happen for my exchange   Cry
I wonder whether that means I will be stuck with 20CN "up-to" 8Mbps for eternity ?  Undecided

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Re: BT UK to Retire Old 8Mbps ADSL Broadband ISP Products in 2014

Perhaps it would make more sense to prioritise upgrading the areas getting less than 2Mbps speeds, rather than making sure people living near the exchanges get an even faster speed than many others.