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When I was at school we wrote our own software as we didn't have any for our early 80's machines lol.
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One of the early connections we had in our house when my kids were in their early teens was a 64 kbit leased line. We had a firewall and used to control what the kids saw. My cunning son ran his own secret Ethernet cable from his bedroom to the cellar to bypass the firewall. I should have twigged when he started showing such interest in internet addresses in use. I discovered the link one morning when he fell asleep while browsing and forgot to hide the wiring.
Nevertheless we'd already had the "chat" with him about birds/bees/porn sites in his pre-teen years.
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If you want to limit what your children are doing online, guess what. TAKE THERE TABLET AWAY FROM THEM, let them use it for their homework/schoolwork and then make them put it on a shelf where they can't use it? or are you such a GOOD parent that they wouldn't listen to you and ignore you anyway

when you grow up and learn a little about the world you can come back here and slag people off all you like until then you should refrain from casting dispersions on other peoples character.
you know nothing about my family or the ages of the people in it, you know nothing about the intelligence level of the people in it and nothing about the abilities of the people in it, yet your clearly saying that as someone who is unable to afford to waste several hundred pounds a year creating a customized server so that I can provide my family with a "safe" internet service I'm a useless parent.
despite the fact I was getting shot at while you were in diapers have shrapnel in my body and cant walk more than a few yards at a time (nor can I sleep much either ) i do understand about internet security, and i am fully aware of various programs (which worked for years) that can be used to help, unfortunately none of them work anymore because google decided ot change there code system to make it none compliant with Global Internet Standards.
since I'm on a particularly strict medical pension if i so much as get arrested for anything i loose my income stream, which means that as much as i would love to ban the use of i-crap in my house i actually cant, i cant even give them a time limit on using them (not least of which because the books are all digital and the school has no physical library anymore)
if i told my kids to do something they would laugh and walk away, if i ask them to do something and explain why i want them to theres a fair chance it will get done, i wouldn't say i was a great parent (god knows i wasn't even home half their lives) but i also wouldn't say i was a bad one
compared to the retards living either side of me who don't even have passwords on their wifi I'd say I'm a fucking brilliant parent, but none of that means i can have any say in what my kids access on the internet, regardless of your infantile ravings about it, and FYI not many people had the internet in their homes before 2005, and most of the nhs systems didn't go online until 2009 (something that's been pissing me off for years)
so to sum up i really don't care what you think is true or not, its a fact that a lot of people need isp based options and regardless of what a small minority of people think about it we as a nation are a lot better off having ISP's that enact the solution than having a state legislated one
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Breaking News
[quote="Open Rights Group"]
Why WordPress bloggers were blocked by TalkTalk, and what it tells us about Internet filtering
Even a site with WordPress' popularity and clout struggled for a week to understand and fix their users' access problems.
At the end of November a number of WordPress blog admins complained on WordPress forums that they were having problems accessing their accounts. It appeared that TalkTalk subscribers who had Wordpress blogs could not access their administration pages over https, and so couldn't write and publish new blog posts.
Wordpress were unable to explain what was happening. The first reports were on 26th November and continued until around December 5th.
[Snip]
What happened?
It seems a WordPress account was reported for containing child abuse content, and once this was confirmed WordPress took the account down and the IWF added the relevant URLs to its block list. (thanks to Barry Turnbull for his work figuring out what was happening.)
The Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) give ISPs a list of sites that contain child abuse images, which the ISPs then block. It is down to the ISP how this blocking actually works. The IWF maintained that no WordPress URLs were on their block list at the time of the access problems and that they are not responsible for how the blocking is implemented.
So it seems the problem comes from the way TalkTalk deal with the list the IWF supply them. TalkTalk provided the following statement:
"Due to the application of our blocking of the IWF list of URLs that contain child abuse imagery, a small number of users may have experienced intermittent issues accessing WordPress at the end of last week. We apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused."
Beyond this, we don't know exactly why TalkTalk's implementation of the IWF blocking list causes this issue. TalkTalk do not seem to have supplied any further technical explanation.
It's not the first time this has happened
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BBC - Porn filters block sex education websites
The Mirror - Harmless websites are BLOCKED by over-the-top content filters
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Quote from: gnicholson8
If you want to limit what your children are doing online, guess what. TAKE THERE TABLET AWAY FROM THEM, let them use it for their homework/schoolwork and then make them put it on a shelf where they can't use it? or are you such a GOOD parent that they wouldn't listen to you and ignore you anyway

when you grow up and learn a little about the world you can come back here and slag people off all you like until then you should refrain from casting dispersions on other peoples character.

Well that's funny because that's all you've pretty much been doing with your "Tin foil hat" comments, commenting about the type of person I am.
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you know nothing about my family or the ages of the people in it, you know nothing about the intelligence level of the people in it and nothing about the abilities of the people in it, yet your clearly saying that as someone who is unable to afford to waste several hundred pounds a year creating a customized server so that I can provide my family with a "safe" internet service I'm a useless parent.

Several hundred £'s a year, WELL NO your well off.. it's a one off sum of around £150.00 but AS my comment above says, it doesn't even require that, it just requires discipline.
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despite the fact I was getting shot at while you were in diapers have shrapnel in my body and cant walk more than a few yards at a time (nor can I sleep much either )

I have every sympathy for you as a wounded soldier, I have worked (as a civilian) with many soldiers and have more friends than I care to mention either wounded or killed in recent years HOWEVER this has no relevance on the conversation and debate at hand and seems obvious that it's used for one thing only
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i do understand about internet security, and i am fully aware of various programs (which worked for years) that can be used to help, unfortunately none of them work anymore because google decided ot change there code system to make it none compliant with Global Internet Standards.

Actually there are quite a few methods that still works today. As mentioned above the Untangled method.
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since I'm on a particularly strict medical pension if i so much as get arrested for anything i loose my income stream, which means that as much as i would love to ban the use of i-[Censored] in my house i actually cant, i cant even give them a time limit on using them (not least of which because the books are all digital and the school has no physical library anymore)

There is NO LAW which states you have to give them access to your WiFi in your house. and as I said before, I call BS that the school will take you to court if you stop them from using it.
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if i told my kids to do something they would laugh and walk away,

Ha! this kind of says it all
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if i ask them to do something and explain why i want them to theres a fair chance it will get done, i wouldn't say i was a great parent (god knows i wasn't even home half their lives) but i also wouldn't say i was a bad one

Yet you've said it yourself, if you tell them to do something they won't listen and if you ask them there is only a "fair chance" that it will get done, to be honest you're portraying that they seldom listen to you.
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compared to the retards living either side of me who don't even have passwords on their wifi I'd say I'm a [Censored] brilliant parent, but none of that means i can have any say in what my kids access on the internet, regardless of your infantile ravings about it, and FYI not many people had the internet in their homes before 2005, and most of the nhs systems didn't go online until 2009 (something that's been [Censored] me off for years)

I never purely said it was just NHS however my local NHS had online booking systems from as early as 2003 (when I use it) but you call me infantile when you're willing to accept that the fast majority of support websites, NHS websites and any number of things are filtered so your kids don't bash one out over online porn.
you do realise that the internet has actually saved peoples life's, certain charities reach the majority of the people they help via the internet and I've known of over a dozen people contemplating and even attempted suicide who were helped by these charities, BUT thats ok, let's block them so your kid can't look at some titties,
You all me infantile yet it is clearly you who is the Asinine little [Censored] using his "I'm a wounded vet" story which has NO other purpose of being mentioned in here for the little bit of extra sympathy that you get.
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so to sum up i really don't care what you think is true or not, its a fact that a lot of people need isp based options and regardless of what a small minority of people think about it we as a nation are a lot better off having ISP's that enact the solution than having a state legislated one

Funny thing is, it is the Majority that don't want filters and the Minority of people, (evidently to lazy to do any real parenting) who want this thing. You don't get the point, Whether it is legislated or enacted by companies, Censorship is still censorship and with the propose plans of the final filter it will end up as bad as North Korea...
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@cx for any filtering system to actually work it requires a server, someone using a server to control interent access is a service provider,
@gnicholson8 actually I was trying to indicate that whilst you in your youthful exuberance and innocence grew up with computers and the internet clearly without any parental control over what you accessed (because if you did benefit from any then you wouldn't of been able to make medical appointments when your legally not old enough to do so), might be capable of affording to act as an isp (even if you limit that to a service for your dwelling) your doing exactly the same thing as the ISP's are now starting to do, you might do it in a different way and to a different level but its the same thing, your also completely missing the point about owning and running a server, it uses electric and suffers breakdowns, one thats so cheap will most definitely require replacement parts quite often (a decent psu rated for 24/7 use alone sets you back over £50, a proper server grade hard drive costs 50 quid if you get lucky with offers never mind all the other parts and of course the operating system that will cost a small fortune to sort out), I have limited means, and within that confine I happily used the options that fit my budget and worked until recently provided along with various other things for a total of £4 a month, it worked perfectly but no longer works on anything google or apple related (because for some strange reason those companies do everything possible to prevent any filters or security software from working) and nor does it work with anything ipad related (because its not possible to filter app connections without a server)
I mentioned the tinfoil hat because your post was a rant worthy of it, it had zero factual basis and was pure scaremongering, I didn't actually call you a nutter I said you should practice at being one if your so dead set on being  devoid of the ability to read and comprehend facts and utilise slander at every given turn to proclaim what a marvel of parenting you are because you have the ability to do something that the vast majority of parents don't, its not as simple as you think it is, which means that because its easy for you doesn't mean its that easy for everyone (well for very few in fact). and when your kids get a lil bit older they will find a way to bypass or subvert everything you do and everything you tell them, (just as pretty much every kid does at some point) .

its not a contest to prove who's the brightest or most knowledgeable about a particular subject, its a known fact that far too few people possess the ability or knowhow to implement even basic filtering never mind advanced stuff, and so what if you and others of similar ability feel that its unwarranted your free to turn it off and continue to use your custom setup without any harm or foul from any cloak and dagger groups a truth that is far from evident with all the outright tosh being spewed all over the internet and rags like the hail (that font of all things made up to sell copies)
and in case your unaware of it, a certain mobile phone company has been providing an opt out filtering service for data use for a few years and yet they haven't had a single news article published about it, clearly they have made sensible filter rules (because it blocks all porn including add's and known dangerous sites but not much else), the real problem with the current filter system is how its implemented by the ISP's but that will get better with more practice, it might even be a bonus selling point for the ones that get the levels setup properly, but I suspect they will need to issue fixed ip addresses to make it work well for every customer (which will have the bonus effect of forcing BT to roll out IPV6 because there aren't enough IPV4 address to let it happen)
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@cx for any filtering system to actually work it requires a server, someone using a server to control interent access is a service provider,
@gnicholson8 actually I was trying to indicate that whilst you in your youthful exuberance and innocence grew up with computers and the internet clearly without any parental control over what you accessed (because if you did benefit from any then you wouldn't of been able to make medical appointments when your legally not old enough to do so),

Actually anyone under the age of sixteen is allowed to see their doctor without their parents permission, you SHOW ME THE LAW, the statute stating that this is not possible, Also anyone under the age of sixteen is allowed to give consent/refuse medical treatment if the Doctor/health professional fees they show the maturity to understand this so don't give me incorrect and flawed arguments.
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your doing exactly the same thing as the ISP's are now starting to do, you might do it in a different way and to a different level but its the same thing,

Yes, I do filter/monitor the content my children has access to but my biggest point is, I DO IT, as I am the one responsible, and how I filter the internet has no impact on the general public.
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your also completely missing the point about owning and running a server, it uses electric and suffers breakdowns, one thats so cheap will most definitely require replacement parts quite often (a decent psu rated for 24/7 use alone sets you back over £50, a proper server grade hard drive costs 50 quid if you get lucky with offers

Thats funny, as an IT Administrator who has owned/run network for 300-400 users at numerous large companies throughout the United Kingdom and have set up similar untangled systems on PC's costing the same amount that have continued to work for years as they use such a little amount of power.
I've run a complete PBX telephone system on an Intel PC (Pentium 2) which has been in use for over 12 years and has not had one failure 😕
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never mind all the other parts and of course the operating system that will cost a small fortune to sort out),

If you had read or even look at the software you would realise it is FREE and is an Opensource OS, so it isn't a "small fortune"
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I mentioned the tinfoil hat because your post was a rant worthy of it, it had zero factual basis and was pure scaremongering, I didn't actually call you a nutter I said you should practice at being one if your so dead set on being  devoid of the ability to read and comprehend facts and utilise slander at every given turn to proclaim what a marvel of parenting you are because you have the ability to do something that the vast majority of parents don't, its not as simple as you think it is, which means that because its easy for you doesn't mean its that easy for everyone (well for very few in fact). and when your kids get a lil bit older they will find a way to bypass or subvert everything you do and everything you tell them, (just as pretty much every kid does at some point) .

POT, KETTLE, BLACK,
Prove to me where I have provided INCORRECT facts and figures,
What facts and figures or evidence that this is a good thing have you provided? NOTHING, you've simply said that you want this. You've not provided any evidence that the system will work or will be a good thing apart from "I believe they will make it work"
I never insulted you directly once UNTIL you mentioned "tinfoil hat" and you made it personal, You can not supply one bit of evidence that this is actually a good thing except for the fact that YOU, one person out of millions don't want your kids to access the Internet.

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its not a contest to prove who's the brightest or most knowledgeable about a particular subject,

Clearly  Roll_eyes If it were I would expect some sort of challenge....
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its a known fact that far too few people possess the ability or knowhow to implement even basic filtering never mind advanced stuff, and so what if you and others of similar ability feel that its unwarranted your free to turn it off and continue to use your custom setup without any harm or foul from any cloak and dagger groups

WHY should we have it turned off, Why shouldn't those that want it have it turned on? THIS is the biggest concern, Why activate it for millions that don't want it for the minority that do want it, it should be reversed.
WHY should I have to get it turned off, YOU should have to have it turned on.
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a truth that is far from evident with all the outright tosh being spewed all over the internet and rags like the hail (that font of all things made up to sell copies)
and in case your unaware of it, a certain mobile phone company has been providing an opt out filtering service for data use for a few years and yet they haven't had a single news article published about it, clearly they have made sensible filter rules (because it blocks all porn including add's and known dangerous sites but not much else), the real problem with the current filter system is how its implemented by the ISP's but that will get better with more practice, it might even be a bonus selling point for the ones that get the levels setup properly, but I suspect they will need to issue fixed ip addresses to make it work well for every customer (which will have the bonus effect of forcing BT to roll out IPV6 because there aren't enough IPV4 address to let it happen)

You mean the T-mobile adult content filters that have been turned on for years, Yes I am aware of this BUT you are informed of it at purchase of the content and will disable them at the time of making the contract (well they did for me, they physically ASKED me when signing up if I wanted the filters or not)
And you missunderstand my WHOLE point. I agree with implementing filters (on certain things like age related products) BUT it should be requested at the time of sign up and not automatically added, the vast majority of people will NOT KNOW the filters are active.
Why should we have something forced on to us that we don't want, you want it, you should have to go through the hassle of turning it off.
What about the hundreds of thousands of innocent websites that will get blocked because of this, included the governments own websites, you've YET after asking countless times provided a rational reason why this is even acceptable.
Thousands of websites will suffer at the hands of a system which is totally incapable of offering the protection it is supposed to and will only harm things more than it should.
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go look at your own posts in this thread on the subject if you want to see where you said rubbish I cant be bothered to trawl through them an highlight every instance!
and you still don't understand the basic idea that someone with zero experience or education in it (passed what the pimply faced kid in the shop shows them how to do) cannot ever understand the black magic that is "IT", the vast majority only have internet because its cheap for shopping on the chavpad which they found along with this months chavphone in the chavalog.
thease are the majority of parents not the minority, there too thick to comprehend how invisible data can do anything that's bad because they don't understand anything past basic input control and will exclaim they "never knew that" when confronted with anything.
its not my fault CG-NAT completely borked whitelisting, its not my fault that the largest global content providers have done everything possible to prevent responsible parenting, why should I now get put to great expense to run a home server (which despite what you say would need far greater capabilities than being a recycled x86 with twin a twin nic and some flash based v-drive primarily because I aint going to fart around working out code strings every time an update is required for my specific hardware) which will also be subverted by the next operating system release by said companies ??????
the isp's will get it right, they wont risk loosing all there customers by getting it wrong, BT is first out of the gate (mainstream) AOHELL has been messing up peoples connections for years just because there trading as TalkTalk isn't going to change that any time soon, BT has said its early days and there filter needs work, there trying to figure out how to get it to be reactive on a per customer basis (which I would think will be rather difficult without fixed IP's)
the whole point of the filter is that it defaults into "safe mode" anyone too thick to work that out when it is plastered all over there welcome pack/email probably shouldn't be drawing oxygen anyway......
and no I was referring to three where you have to log into the website and opt out (they don't give a choice) once your contract is up and running, and the only time your made aware of its existence is if you try and look at something that is specifically blocked
oh and the only reason everyone is crying about the filter is because there the sheeple that will believe anything that's shouted loudest and most often particularly if you were some red ribbons whilst doing so and scare them into believing its all bout legislation and "big brother" if you can toss in "1984" and a nod then your guaranteed a cult status and mass fan base....... half of them are too thick to understand the base argument never mind have an opinion of there own about it..... the other half are so full of their own ego's and abilities they cant understand why its important to protect the people who cant from nasty corporations hell bent on stealing all your online activity and legally owning everything digital (online) you have access to (because the users don't own anything that's in the free clouds or made with the "free apps") and making sure you cant block anything that they host or link to .....

just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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Okay, so you want facts, evidence and information......
Let's go for a LONG LONG RIDE HERE...

Source: Here
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Indications from ISP's and current mobile phone configurations are showing the filters will be responsible for blocking the following content.
pornography
violent material
extremist and terrorist related content
anorexia and eating disorder websites
suicide related websites
alcohol
smoking
web forums
esoteric material
web blocking circumvention tools

Lets now delve and look in to each one in-depth...
pornography
Simple really, we know what it is, but those who WISH to view it will now be nice an embarrassed when they have to phone their ISP's and request the filter removed.
However, what will also be filtered is from the imagine/video filtering technology available works by filtering colours of skin tone, even the smallest colour of skin (a person at the beach) can trigger this filter and be marked as pornography.
violent material
Well, okay, so apart from what normal violent material that we know about lets look at what else may be considered by the filters a violent material.
Anyone here play computer games? well screw that as if any of the games involve guns, EVEN games like "Lego Star Wars" May be classified as violent material and their websites or websites showing how to purchase said items may be blocked.
extremist and terrorist related content
So whilst any terrorist related content is filtered, the automatic filters which are using current technology, it is predicted that the following may/will also be affected
- News articles about terrorist actions
- Religious websites
- Any research article, included defense reports about the above subject.
All of these are innocent websites and information sources which will be suppressed and wrongly filtered because the technology to get the filters right is NOT available.
anorexia and eating disorder websites
So, Any website mentioning the above may/will be blocked. This includes the following
- The hundreds of support websites owned or run by individuals out there
- NHS own pages/content relating to support for the above problem
- Sections and parts of NSPC’s website about the above problem
- Sections of b-eat.co.uk a leading support website.
- The National Centre for Eating Disorders website
- The Royal College of Psychiatrists,
Do I need to go on? A wealth of information sources, INNOCENT sources may/will be blocked.
suicide related websites
So, same as above really with the added extra of thousands of more websites may/will be blocked because they contain content relating to the above subject.
alcohol
So any content mentioning or relating to Alcohol will be blocked, without you realizing this could include your most favorite football websites as many teams and leagues are sponsored by companies which make or produce alcoholic beverages.
smoking
The same as above really. I can’t fault this as I loathe smoking.
web forums
Well I guess if you get your filters this argument will be invalid as guess what, You’ll be gone out of here, It is self explanatory and I don’t need to go on about this.
esoteric material
Oh what, Church of England website, Any religious or anything that is considered Esoteric may/will be filtered under this rules.
web blocking circumvention tools
So any content which promotes personal privacy and anonymity online may/will be blocked.

So, Now we’ve gone through the list of what will be filtered lets look at Why.
You keep saying that the filters “HAVE TO WORK RIGHT” and “BT HAVE SAID THIS” Well firstly, why would you trust anything to come out of BT’s mouth, and secondly, lets look how it all works.
Source: Here
I know it’s not official source but the information IS correct.
The filters are NOT perfect, they’re run by machines and work on algorithms that pick up different pieces of information and makes a determination based on variables as to whether to block it or not. NOW as they want the filters to actually block the content it will usually block content that is “considered” grey than rather let possible material get through.
As a result internet filters will usually favour a FALSE POSATIVE which results in hundreds on incorrectly filtered pages. The biggest problem is FILTERING TECHNOLOGY does not care what it filters, it doesn’t take in to account legitimate, reasonable sources
This is also one of my favorite quotes from the above source.
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‘Opt-out’ gives away compromising information
A system in which you have to opt in allows the organisation managing the filter to know that you want content filtering. The implications of this are perhaps that you have children, or you simply don’t want adult content appearing as you browse. Nothing sensitive.
In contrast, a system in which you have to explicitly opt out of tells the same organisation a far juicier detail – you consume adult content. Of course, it might not be adult content, but that’s irrelevant. That kind of socially compromising information has a long history of being abused, and in the situation of a future far-right-wing government having access to that information, your liberty is immediately threatened.
As an example, O2 and Vodafone have an opt-out filter for adult content on their mobile web platform. What proportion of the customer base impacted by it have disabled it, do you think? Your options are to make a payment from a credit (not debit) card, or visit a store with identification and ask someone face-to-face. Fortunately, I’m rather shameless, but this kind of embarrassment-based social pressure is the kind of [Censored] that we tried to leave behind with the Victorians.

The filtering available and being used is not suitable and will cause more harm than good.

See, you're sitting there and calling me a Tinfoil hat nut but have you actually thought about the innocent websites that will be blocked and the innocent content, Come on, you've not ADDRESSED this issue one bit and this is the MAJOR issue, innocent content will be censored because the technology is NOT available to make it work.
You really don't care about the websites that may/may not be blocked under these filters? You say my answers are Rubbish but are unwilling to provide a defence based upon reasonable evidence that these filters WILL WORK, your only arguement is "They have to work." Well show me some information that the technology is out there to make it work CORRECTLY.
I am now looking forward to the filters so this website will be blocked for you and I don't have to idiotic rants of some washed up has-been.....
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so a huge pile of scaremongering piffle by a rights advocacy group that has to spout utter rubbish to justify its continued existence sucking up cash on the grounds that if people don't cowtow to there fear inducing bilious ravings then it will be 1984 for real
even if they do everything that is said in that entire trash site, guess what they already do it under the guise of law enforcement and national security, far from a bad thing it will simply stop impressionable youths  from being corruptible by default, offering something that has zero government control (so thus not anything like 1984), the isp's have already confirmed the entire system has a login based bypass option that can be used freely or a total opt out (and who cares if they need to maintain a database of that, they maintain one that records every signal bit of data through each customers connection anyway for 30 days and header info for 5 years with emails for 25 years (data capture laws) to be provided to law enforcement agencies on production of a warrant, (which will be zero difference with the filter system in place)
the filters will always get false positives (or at least appear to) the filters will need to cater to the lowest common denominator, blocking access to all those types of website will be required by some faction or another, take a look at what the various Muslim pressure groups want to see blocked, take a look at what other sects like the Quakers want to see blocked and a whole host of other "interested groups", the ISP's will have to block everything requested by those political pressure groups (or face lengthy costly legal problems), that's where the problems lie, the request from CMD was rather limited its the other groups that have added all the other garbage onto it, he requested the top 3 only as a "sensible protective measures publicly on daytime tv"
if the ISP's don't offer differential filtering based on customer requests then there will no doubt be legislation to force them to do it (the only way it will be feasibly possible is if they implement full IPV6 rollout and tie each account to a static address block for the filter settings)
I notice there's nothing about content delivered via app's (which is funny given its one of the biggest problem areas) and you post to yet another scare mongering blog that fails to mention the fact all that data collection is already being done through legislative measures anyway.....
nothing in there is factually correct, even the chief scaremongering site openrights.org openly admits its complete outrage generation is based on "early indications from a limited number of ISP's"  and also completely fails to mention search engines already send direct alerts to law enforcement agencies when certain types of material are requested as required under various international laws (even here in the UK such things are done and have been since the millennium act)

opting out might add you to a database but it wont make a blind spec of difference to your day to day life, it will provide a law enforcement agency nothing unless your actively breaking the law (like downloading/sharing certain things) you could even be the number one poster on jihadist.com and nothing could be done about it unless they already have you under surveillance for some reason (something verifiable that would allow them to get issued a warrant to snoop on your data habits) because there is no legislation that allows the ISP to give away that information, in fact there are several laws which exclusively prevent it.

do you have any actual reason other than the annoyance factor to be so against something that's already in place with several isp's and incoming for pretty much all the others ? (I mean a real reason not one of the manufactured scaremongering things ranted about by loons everywhere that completely overlooks the fact its been done for the past 13 years anyway and this isn't going to make a blind jot of difference to that)
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

I swear some of that shrapnel went into your brain or have you always been such an idiot.
THE REAL REASON, AS I HAVE STATED MANY TIMES IS THE SIMPLE FACT THAT A LARGE MAJORITY OF INNOCENT WEBSITES (AS MENTIONED IN MY POST) WILL BE UNFAIRLY FILTERED DUE TO THE CURRENT LIMITATIONS ON FILTERING TECHNOLOGY WHICH, AGAIN YOU FAIL TO ADDRESS IN ANY DETAIL.
IT ISN'T ABOUT THE CONTENT ON THE FILTERS THAT SHOULD BE BLOCKED, BUT THE FALSE POSITIVES THAT IT LEAVES BEHIND
I write in capitals just to make sure it gets through your evidently THICK SHRAPNEL FILLED SKULL
The Technology isn't there to censor/filter the government and a ISP or Company should NOT have control over what anyone person decides to read/look at. What if the ISP's then decide to block all other ISP's websites, They could. What is stopping them from doing that? As for filtering for each group of people. IT is political correctness gone crazy again, Why should I be punished because some Muslim doesn't want Alcohol being displayed on there internet, Here is a tip, Don't  search for it.
Everyone is quick to blame others and say it is the ISP's fault rather than dealing with the problem themselves. THE INTERNET WAS NOT DESIGNED TO BE CENSORED OR CONTROLED BY A COMPANY..
you go live in your fantasy land, I fucking look forward to the filters stopping you coming on here,
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

Will you two keep this civil otherwise I will lock the thread
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

I think you both need to relax a little guys.  You've got obvious differences of opinion and debating it isn't going to change the others opinion.   It's getting a bit heated now!
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

Quote from: gnicholson8
IT ISN'T ABOUT THE CONTENT ON THE FILTERS THAT SHOULD BE BLOCKED, BUT THE FALSE POSITIVES THAT IT LEAVES BEHIND

those "mistakes" are able to be corrected, as has already been proven I was ignoring it as a none factor, I didn't realise it was such an important cornerstone point for you.
@Kelly/oj
aight
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you