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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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I didn't give them the sodding mobile device there school did, something which I have zero legal right to touch zero legal right to block from being used and its shocker not under my control!

Who gave your child the wifi password to your router?
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you need to wake up and smell the coffee fella not everything is about civil liberties or privacy being eroded, the mere fact ISP's are being asked to make it an opt out system doesn't prevent anyone from opting out,

So Big Brother ends up with a readymade list of all those who have actively indicated that they wish to view content that the Government has deemed not fit for those of a sensitive disposition?  I don't think so!!
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if the government wanted to "control access" it would of just legislated for it

Exactly - Where is the legislation that forces ISPs to provide Opt Out filtering?
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Yes, I am terribly sorry that I don't agree with forcing everyone to go through the hassle of unfiltering there access so your kids don't get wank stains on their mattress 😕
What about when your kids need to access content based on sexual health, or when/if they develop a medical problem and try to look it up on the NHS websites (because they're to ashamed to come to their parents (which they will be, kids keep secrets from parents) but can't because the NHS web pages are blocked.
You realise once the full filters are in effect you won't be able to come on here and post anything as web forums will be blocked? or order shopping online because it allows you to buy Alcohol?
What about the blocking of "esoteric material" Oh, whats that? well how about the Bible or the Torah, yup, thats blocked.
You might as well just remove your internet 😕
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Quote from: nanotm
I didn't give them the sodding mobile device there school did, something which I have zero legal right to touch zero legal right to block from being used and its shocker not under my control!

Who gave you child the wifi password to your router?

THIS....

Wait, his defence will be "but they can just go out and use a Wifi hotspot" So yeah, to get access to porn your kid is going to bash one out in the local Starbucks toilets?
how is blocking the internet stopping access to stuff, all he has to do is get a buddy to download the movies on a flash drive and plug it in 😕

WAIT... HOW ABOUT WE BAN FLASH DRIVES... THEY COULD CONTAIN PORN
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Who gave your child the wifi password to your router?

nobody they access the internet via the bt hotspot which has nothing to do with me on there tablets!
Quote from: nanotm
So Big Brother ends up with a readymade list of all those who have actively indicated that they wish to view content that the Government has deemed not fit for those of a sensitive disposition?  I don't think so!!
if "Big Brother" wanted such a list GCHQ could compile it anyway, there more interested in other things though so they tend not to bother (and you have 15 years of liabor governance for the secret police system that's in place right now and red Ed would make it far worse given half a chance)
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Exactly - Where is the legislation that forces ISPs to provide Opt Out filtering?
there is no legislation at all so far, and so long as ISP's adopt a best practice standard there wont need to be any!
@gnicholson8
your clearly not familiar with crapple products, they have usb slots........
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Quote from: pwatson
Who gave your child the wifi password to your router?

nobody they access the internet via the bt hotspot which has nothing to do with me on there tablets!
Quote from: nanotm
So Big Brother ends up with a readymade list of all those who have actively indicated that they wish to view content that the Government has deemed not fit for those of a sensitive disposition?  I don't think so!!
if "Big Brother" wanted such a list GCHQ could compile it anyway, there more interested in other things though so they tend not to bother (and you have 15 years of liabor governance for the secret police system that's in place right now and red Ed would make it far worse given half a chance)
Quote from: nanotm
Exactly - Where is the legislation that forces ISPs to provide Opt Out filtering?
there is no legislation at all so far, and so long as ISP's adopt a best practice standard there wont need to be any!
@gnicholson8
your clearly not familiar with crapple products, they have usb slots........

I am more than familiar although wouldn't dirty myself with a piece of shit apple. it was one example, okay so his mates e-mail him the .avi file then, it won't get blocked by his e-mail and he can still download it.
Your saying deny the majority to police and censor the internet.
Come on, what about all the other things that will be blocked except for porn? you never mentioned them. oh porn is okay but what about the health related stuff, or the web forums, your very dear forum you are writing on, once the full filters come into effect will BLOCK this website.
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Who gave your child the wifi password to your router?

nobody they access the internet via the bt hotspot which has nothing to do with me on there tablets!

So how about *you* taking this up with whoever administers *your* child's iPad at *your* child's school rather than making it everyone else's problem?
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Because it isn't the PARENTS job to supervise THEIR own children... what sort of malarkey is that, Supervising and parenting your own kids  Roll_eyes Roll_eyes Roll_eyes
It is ridiculous to think that ISP's should be responsible for who access what on the Internet. If you want someone to blame, BLAME the people hosting the hot spot, the administrators who provide them with the internet access.
How are they even getting access to a BT HOTSPOT, which you have to pay for?
As for the NO FILTERS at schools, this is Bullshit, I've just contacted three schools in my area wanting to check this (one being my kids) and spoke to the I.T Admins at two, and actually a deputy head at one and all three informed me they have active filters on their net and one even told me the systems they used.
ALL internet access provided by ALL THREE Schools blocks inappropriate material.
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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So how about *you* taking this up with whoever administers *your* child's iPad at *your* child's school rather than making it everyone else's problem?
its a problem coming to every school across the country, it started in a single school 3 years ago and now its a problem in 60 schools in the next few years it will be in every secondary school, I have already spoken to the administrators at my kids school and been told "the device has nothing to do with you, and if you don't allow it to be used we will take you to court"
scare mongering about something that any adult can choose to either have turned off or leave on and use a password to bypass as required?
you cant think of any other way to combat the sensible approach to what amounts to nothing more than a minor annoyance ?
if it was possible to do it any other way I very much doubt a one size fits all solution would even be undertaken (given that it requires some considerable effort and cash to instigate) "call me dave" has clearly said he doesn't want to legislate for filters or otherwise regulate internet traffic and so long as ISP's come up with an effective solution that works he wont need to which means it wont be able to be subjected to "mission creep" under future administrations......(the very idea of which has all the tinfoil brigade up in arms)
so what if BT's initial filter is ridiculous to most people, it will be adjusted in the coming weeks/months and everyone will get on with life....of course Muslims don't agree with alcohol so the fact everything to do with alcohol is filtered is down to them (which is religious), ditto any picture that has women showing flesh other than half her face or hands (which far from being religious is a cultural obsession with the fanatic elements only), various other aspects of the current filter are down to different sect's or cultural groups, I have every faith that the default filter will be "tweaked" into a check box for various options (religious beliefs being adhered to being the key driver), possibly an age related version for each age group (0>7, 7>13,13>16,16+) and of course the off box.
nothing all that special will be required for it to be enabled /disabled (username/password) tick the box to disable it, or even username +password to allow bypassing it on the device being used....
its a realistic approach that whilst some of it seems entirely boneheaded can and will work perfectly for everyone, by the same token its also avoiding political intervention and maintaining net neutrality (at least for the UK)
which will of course prevent "his/her mates" from having access as well.
and the best part of all is the plod will still require a warrant to get hold of the information (because the private company is in control not the state) 

if the filter was unable to be bypassed as required or unable to be switched off your scaremongering would stil be directed at the wrong place, not because "call me dave" didn't ask for it but because the ISP's have free reign to design implement and mange the system so its them that will be to blame wholly firstly for saying "it cant be done" and secondly for then doing something to prove that it can and thirdly for doing it in a way that is totally obstructive.
as for medical stuff, why do people forget than 5 years ago the only real option was to go see a doctor or nurse and really its only been the last 3 years there has been any other option ??????
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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your clearly not familiar with crapple products, they have usb slots........

You're clearly not familiar with the inginuity of accessory manufacturers.
While Apple don't approve of them, adapters are available for usb, SD cards etc. (e.g. USB/SD Adapter for iPad, lightning version also available))
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In the days of the cassette recorder, it was quite possible to copy sound media.  Cheesy
Same (but better) with USB's, CD's, DVD's and various other physical media...

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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Quote from: pwatson
So how about *you* taking this up with whoever administers *your* child's iPad at *your* child's school rather than making it everyone else's problem?
its a problem coming to every school across the country, it started in a single school 3 years ago and now its a problem in 60 schools in the next few years it will be in every secondary school, I have already spoken to the administrators at my kids school and been told "the device has nothing to do with you, and if you don't allow it to be used we will take you to court"

I call BS to this 😕
Quote from: nanotm
if it was possible to do it any other way I very much doubt a one size fits all solution would even be undertaken (given that it requires some considerable effort and cash to instigate) "call me dave" has clearly said he doesn't want to legislate for filters or otherwise regulate internet traffic and so long as ISP's come up with an effective solution that works he wont need to which means it wont be able to be subjected to "mission creep" under future administrations......(the very idea of which has all the tinfoil brigade up in arms)

Because he knows he would have a revolution on his hand and be out of office so fast.
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its a realistic approach that whilst some of it seems entirely boneheaded can and will work perfectly for everyone, by the same token its also avoiding political intervention and maintaining net neutrality (at least for the UK)
which will of course prevent "his/her mates" from having access as well.
and the best part of all is the plod will still require a warrant to get hold of the information (because the private company is in control not the state) 

Yes, it is a realistic approch for parents too fucking boneheaded to do a decent job or teaching and raising their kids and instead of informing them, discussing and monitoring what the kid has access too and or doesn't have access too and generally KEEPING AN EYE ON THEM AND LOOKING AFTER THEM, you leave it in the hands of others....
How about we install camera's in your home and GPS tag them and get corporate companies and the government to make sure they go to school and monitor what they eat, Wink
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as for medical stuff, why do people forget than 5 years ago the only real option was to go see a doctor or nurse and really its only been the last 3 years there has been any other option ??????

Well that is wrong, "3 years", you're clearly ever delusional of this is 2001. At the age of 12/13 I underwent some very serious medical problems, some of which my parents never knew about and I used the internet to help me with this, This included support forums, support websites and even more. I was able to arrange NHS appointments and even speak to NHS staff online to help me. This was 13 years ago, so yeah, your WAY of base there.
and you're okay with stopping access to support networks used by thousands of vulnerable children every year for help just so your kid doesn't look at tits online, you're a selfish bloody moron. The implications are MUCH bigger than you even imagine, "oh it's to protect our children" Grow up,
You'd be better off locking you and your kids you're "protecting" in a bunker and sealing yourself away from the REAL world and protect them in your "own little bubble"
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If you want to limit what your children are doing online, guess what. TAKE THERE TABLET AWAY FROM THEM, let them use it for their homework/schoolwork and then make them put it on a shelf where they can't use it? or are you such a GOOD parent that they wouldn't listen to you and ignore you anyway
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Meh, in my day tablets weren't even invented yet, we had to do homework on paper, not that I ever did it unless it was for a teacher I actually liked.
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My school exercise book didn't have internet access either Sad

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When I was at school the Internet as we know it now hadn't been invented yet circa the mid to late 80s.