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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

Your next task will be to block tweets, text messages, facebook rubbish, emails etc etc... Smiley
Don't forget that usenet and IRC and Skype are a bit dodgy too.

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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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I just had a closer look at the list for light filtering and realised that along with the various nasties I can't look for wine on line - will this block Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda etc. Crazy

Now, that's just weird.
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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I tried using white list custom dns, the kids changed there default dns servers (because kids get taught this stuff in school) and theres no way to block that unless your running a terminal server.

My home network uses OpenDNS with custom filtering for my kids machines, so I am interested how you think the DNS server settings can be overridden, because their logins don't have administrator privileges so preventing any changes to the network settings, and their machines have been set not to boot from anything other than the hard drive - therefore making modifications from a 'live' OS impossible.
Not that it makes much difference on their network, as my internet gateway router has been configured to rewrite outgoing DNS requests to only be resolved by DNS servers of my choosing.  Therefore even if a machine had somehow been reconfigured to ask for results from SecretMegaPornDNS, the answer will ALWAYS come back from OpenDNS and be suitably filtered.
This setup has worked adequately so far, and that is with a son who is top of his year in I.T.   Grin

not quite sure how you achieve such a thing with a router, my pc uses google dns servers the one next to it uses plusnet and the one next to that uses bt dns servers the router is set top use opnendns, theres no special settings in the router to block use of individual dns servers so as long as someone brings up the device settings page for the network adaptor they can change it to whatever they like, its how my 9 year old did it (along with hitting ctl+alt+del 2 times at logon typing asp and hitting enter for full admin login) now he's older and far more gifted at it fortunately a recent upgrade to w8.1 has slowed him down a bit, so far he hasn't figured out a method of disabling the hard link between his Microsoft account login and the family safety  settings it generates (based on the rules I put in place manually on the cloud server)
but he can and does swap dns servers regularly, back when he was 9 though I did mess about with running WHS and using advanced networking policy to curb the kids abilities to subvert everything they were given, i gave up when i couldn't right the scripts correctly due to being dyslexic
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The filtering problem I have is YouTube !   Angry
My kids machines have YouTube blocked, not because of the videos, but because of the disgusting language used by other people leaving associated comments.
Unfortunately our local schools keep setting homework (even for 8 year olds) where the children are asked to watch specified YouTube videos and then write what they thought the film was about.  That in itself isn't too bad, but even with those selected videos, there are pages of vile language in the comments that I don't want to see, let alone allowing my children to read.
The only solution that works, is for me to make an .mp4 file of the selected homework videos, and let my kids watch those offline.   Angry
I really don't understand why YouTube don't implement a swear filter similar to that used in this Forum, as that sort of language is unnecessary on such a universally accessed website.

wait till they get given tablets by the school and you have zero admin ability on them, and aren't allowed to block them from your network because the kids need to use them for school work, i did instigate url filtering and use a custom whitelist dns, all the app's on the ipad bypass such things and have free internet access, google facebook and youtube are all blocked by my url filter yet the ipads can still access them fully..........  i block access to certain known sites where the kids have been tempted to go (like pornhub) yet the ipads ignore the url filtering rules, i didn't personally type in the address either i had the company who supplied my router set it up for me
my options are apparently block the devices or allow them because there designed to create vpn's on the fly (which they require for the apps to work) and will do so to bypass any standard input filters ......all of which leaves me rather at a disadvantage
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

Really. I could block/monitor all internet access with less than £180.00
a very cheap PC, nothing special, with two NIC slots, router going into one and the access point in the other,
then run this piece of software as the OS
https://www.untangle.com
It runs a FREE Lite version which will offer enough filtering.
Again, for the small minority they are blocking the vast majority, it's is stupid to think it is the ISP's job to block the kids access to content and to parent/police the internet 😕
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

Can it block SSH?

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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

Yup, you have the option to enable and disable it.
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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theres no special settings in the router to block use of individual dns servers so as long as someone brings up the device settings page for the network adaptor they can change it to whatever they like,

So (paraphrasing) because *your* current router doesn't have a setting to force DNS requests to a specified server then ISPs should provide filters to do your parenting for you?
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This is my whole argument, If people want to stop children accessing material then THEY should do it themselves. Why should companies and ISP's or even the Government stop access to material online (in the process suppressing many other peoples right to that material) because parents are two damn bone idle to stop their kids accessing it.

It seems everyone is hysterical about protecting the "Children" but unwilling to do it themselves 😕
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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If people want to stop children accessing material then THEY should do it themselves. Why should companies and ISP's or even the Government stop access to material online

because its not the parents who give the internet to the kids and schools don't do it, mobile operators prevent parents from having any control hotspots wont allow parental controls, and ISP's provide the connection equipment to get online, if I pay upwards of £60 to get the internet enabled at my house why should I also be expected to pay to run a sever in my own home?
not least of which is the problem that more than half the people who are currently parents are wholly incapable of attempting to sift through all the different methods, I have already done everything I can short of spending several hundred pounds (that I don't have) to provide a safe internet experience for my offspring, efforts that were largely successful until subverted by the state education system (with them giving away devices that I cannot in anyway administer or block content to) two parents of children at my kids school are being taken to court because they blocked the ipads from the internet (as its the only way to prevent them being used inappropriately) on the grounds they are disrupting there ability to succeed in life through preventing freedom to utilise the tools given to them (I know it beggars belief) but there not the first people in the country to be prosecuted for this and I'm sure they wont be the last.
if its your notion that only the parent should have the responsibility to decide what is or isn't appropriate then I suggest you start a legal challenge against all the things that prevent the parent from being able to exercise that control, personally I'm glad this problem is finally being taken seriously because quite frankly its not something the average person on the street could do regardless of how much they might like to be able to do it, in fact I'd say this is the only way its possible is if all Internet providers implement this system!
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Even good parents can have children who are 'devious little blighters', multiple lines of defence against their attempts to access unsuitable material are required in many cases, what's the problem with an ISP offering filtering if the subscriber can configure it or switch it off as they see fit?
I do agree that the quality of the filtering criteria is not always as good as it should be but that's a different argument.
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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what's the problem with an ISP offering filtering if the subscriber can configure it or switch it off as they see fit?

Assuming that the filter can be completely OFF by choice, i.e. nothing is passed through it, directly or by reference to a list, I don't see that there is a problem. For people who want their traffic to use this filter, it's probably the best solution to keeping people happy. It won't fix what those people think it will, but it gives the illusion of safety which is all they're interested in.
But is that going to be the case?
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If people want to stop children accessing material then THEY should do it themselves. Why should companies and ISP's or even the Government stop access to material online

because its not the parents who give the internet to the kids and schools don't do it, mobile operators prevent parents from having any control hotspots wont allow parental controls, and ISP's provide the connection equipment to get online, if I pay upwards of £60 to get the internet enabled at my house why should I also be expected to pay to run a sever in my own home?

Thats funny, School filters all of it content AT school.
There is one simple way of controlling their kids access to the net. MONITOR them. Children under the age of teenage years shouldn't be left alone with tablets and internet and access to the internet anyway, actually monitor what your kids looks at.
Why should your ISP be forced to (which is what the government is planning to do) to do your own bloody job for you. Seriously, all you have to do is keep an eye on your kid and any sensible parent wouldn't let a 10 or 12 year old have a PC in his own bedroom where usage can be monitored.
Also, where the hell are your kids going to be connecting to mobile hotspots? if you're that worried don't let them have wireless devices or monitor there usage. Why spoil and censor the usage of the net for millions for a handful of parents who can't be assed doing there job.
I am a parent of two boys, I've never had, nor will I expect to have a problem controlling my children's internet usage. It's called decent parenting and not expecting others to "protect" your children.

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not least of which is the problem that more than half the people who are currently parents are wholly incapable of attempting to sift through all the different methods, I have already done everything I can short of spending several hundred pounds (that I don't have) to provide a safe internet experience for my offspring, efforts that were largely successful until subverted by the state education system (with them giving away devices that I cannot in anyway administer or block content to) two parents of children at my kids school are being taken to court because they blocked the ipads from the internet (as its the only way to prevent them being used inappropriately) on the grounds they are disrupting there ability to succeed in life through preventing freedom to utilise the tools given to them (I know it beggars belief) but there not the first people in the country to be prosecuted for this and I'm sure they wont be the last.

How about you sit and watch and actually monitor what your kids do online. (easiest way to stop your devices from the state) STOP them using your WiFi connection.
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if its your notion that only the parent should have the responsibility to decide what is or isn't appropriate then I suggest you start a legal challenge against all the things that prevent the parent from being able to exercise that control, personally I'm glad this problem is finally being taken seriously because quite frankly its not something the average person on the street could do regardless of how much they might like to be able to do it, in fact I'd say this is the only way its possible is if all Internet providers implement this system!

Oh get of your high horse, A serious problem, utter BS. any REAL parent would be able to control the content that their children have access to and if you REALLY cared you'd control how much your children used the internet and sat and monitored it...

It's absolutely ludicrous, sure if ISP's offer a filter then by all means use it BUT they should make it so the those who WANT the filter have to turn it on rather than turning it on for everyone and making those who don't want it have to have it turned off.
Opt IN voluntarily and not making user have to Opt Out.
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what's the problem with an ISP offering filtering if the subscriber can configure it or switch it off as they see fit?

Assuming that the filter can be completely OFF by choice, i.e. nothing is passed through it, directly or by reference to a list, I don't see that there is a problem. For people who want their traffic to use this filter, it's probably the best solution to keeping people happy. It won't fix what those people think it will, but it gives the illusion of safety which is all they're interested in.
But is that going to be the case?


At present, the plans are to have any filters be turned on AUTOMATICALLY and if users want it turned off have to jump through hoops to do so, when a smarter thing would be to get those lazy parents who think ISP's should do the parenting for them phone up and ask them to turn it on.
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You also do realise this is only the FIRST STEP towards the overall filter which will be something like this and is being implimented purely on Government indications.
The list of what WILL be filtered eventually is

  • pornography

  • violent material

  • extremist and terrorist related content

  • anorexia and eating disorder websites

  • suicide related websites

  • alcohol

  • smoking

  • web forums

  • esoteric material

  • web blocking circumvention tools


I've always been understanding of our levels of freedom in this country, I accept that whilst we believe we're a free people we do give up limits of our freedom to protect ourselves and society and I am all for this. if we were truly free it would be total anarchy, however the government are stepping to far. Whilst we need to give up certain levels of freedom in our laws, ie policing and military we should not be giving up on freedom to learn, freedom to read what content we want. Sure I agree with blocking illegal material but nothing on that list is illegal. If I wanted to read about extremist content I should be able to, It doesn't make me an extremist it makes me someone who reads. web forums, we all use them, hell I met my wife on one of them.
I've never been one to get involved with the government and what they do but I can only see it going down a long spiral and heading towards a totalitarian invasive super state
Why should government be able to choose what material we can or can not read. whether or not we can "opt out" of it, why should we have to, the government should force up to opt in to it.
This is no longer an issue on just pornography, this is a issue on freedom, freedom to view what we please, read what we like and to access the full range of information available. the internet was not designed to be under the control of the government or any one power.
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Thats funny, School filters all of it content AT school.
no they don't, they have specific sites blocked only during class time!
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There is one simple way of controlling their kids access to the net. MONITOR them. Children under the age of teenage years shouldn't be left alone with tablets and internet and access to the internet anyway, actually monitor what your kids looks at.
Why should your ISP be forced to (which is what the government is planning to do) to do your own bloody job for you. Seriously, all you have to do is keep an eye on your kid and any sensible parent wouldn't let a 10 or 12 year old have a PC in his own bedroom where usage can be monitored.
Also, where the hell are your kids going to be connecting to mobile hotspots? if you're that worried don't let them have wireless devices or monitor there usage. Why spoil and censor the usage of the net for millions for a handful of parents who can't be assed doing there job.

are you devoid of the necessary skills to read and understand what I posted ???????Huh
I didn't give them the sodding mobile device there school did, something which I have zero legal right to touch zero legal right to block from being used and its shocker not under my control!
as for sitting over their shoulder, just how do you expect someone to perform that in a family home, should I get rid of the dinning table or the sofa in order to make my family room a classroom ?
you need to wake up and smell the coffee fella not everything is about civil liberties or privacy being eroded, the mere fact ISP's are being asked to make it an opt out system doesn't prevent anyone from opting out, if the government wanted to "control access" it would of just legislated for it and forced everyone to comply instead they want a voluntary solution provided by the ISP's that defaults to "protected " so that forgetful stressed out parents don't overlook something.
as for the rest of your tirade I suggest you get your tinfoil hat back on and practice saying wibble in front of the mirror, clearly your struggling to understand the concept that the average person is not as clever or has cleverer children than you or indeed has less finical ability than you.
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you