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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

Why are schools handing out these devices?
Don't the schools realise that most of the time they will be used for Facebook and other non-educational activities rather than what they were given for?
Surely the money would be better spent on books including encyclopaedias and children taught how to use them  Undecided

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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Thats funny, My Oldest just got an Tablet and the first thing I did was to install and manage parental content. Basically when he turns it on he can only access content or Apps that I have allowed him too, to access the main tablet a password (of my choosing) must be input to access the app store etc,
I download any games/apps he wants and then add them to his allowed list.

which is fine if you bought it but not possible when its a device issued to them by their school

But that is not a reason to set up these porn filters, you do realise it isn't JUST porn they filter but most content. It's government censorship at its worst.
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Why are schools handing out these devices?
Don't the schools realise that most of the time they will be used for Facebook and other non-educational activities rather than what they were given for?
Surely the money would be better spent on books including encyclopaedias and children taught how to use them  Undecided
they provide the books as digital content, and have swapped from physical to digital work for many things, homework is now complied on the tab and emailed to the teachers, they can contact teachers outside school hours for help with there work and a whole host of other things, oh and its also providing the kids with a multitude of work related skills (IT based communications being number 1)
the problems with the setup are threefold;
#1- no say in if they get the device,
#2- the school locks out the admin side of the device and fines you if you install unauthorised software (like internet security software)
#3- the school only blocks certain websites (because its too limiting to the kids development) during class time of which there are only a few 

@gnicholson8
except its not government censorship its an age related filter implemented solely by the isp (bt) who have chosen to limit everything by default to whats classed as under 13 appropriate (which I cant actually argue with since its what I set all my net nanny systems at and then provide specific exclusions)
if the government had legislated in order to have the filters put in place they would of restricted access to over 18 content only, since its currently illegal to be homosexual until your 18 any and all LBGT stuff would be excluded as would all dating sites and anything that hosted adverts for pornographic material (which would include facebook)
personally I would like there to be a legislated system which required people to register at the police station giving dna/fingerprint /iris scan in order to receive a personal opt out code to use in order to access anything that's been filtered out, of course the use of such data base would be for law enforcement purposes and used to reduce crime figures and/or speed up case closure rates Smiley
but I think the anti privacy idiots would throw a track if someone tried to implement that Smiley
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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except its not government censorship its an age related filter implemented solely by the isp (bt) who have chosen to limit everything by default to whats classed as under 13 appropriate (which I cant actually argue with since its what I set all my net nanny systems at and then provide specific exclusions)

While the filters being implemented are not government mandated, it's being done on the basis that, if the ISPs don't do it voluntarily, the government will create legislation to force them to do it. In effect,  it is government enforced censorship being implement by the ISPs.  We still have no idea how sites are categorized so have no idea what ends up flagged as 'adult content' when in shouldn't be.
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if the government had legislated in order to have the filters put in place they would of restricted access to over 18 content only, since its currently illegal to be homosexual until your 18 any and all LBGT stuff would be excluded as would all dating sites and anything that hosted adverts for pornographic material (which would include facebook)

If the government had legislated (and they still could), it's more than likely they'd specify a system that's completely unworkable, ineffective and costs the country billions.
Given the large scope of what could be considered 'adult content',  a lot of it will make it through the filters, and the more agressive the filter, the higher the incidence of false positives.
Also,  I think you'll find it's perfectly legal to be homosexual at any age,  and the age of conset is 16 (Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000).
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

Do Plusnet have plans to copy BT?

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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Quote from: Mav
Why are schools handing out these devices?
Don't the schools realise that most of the time they will be used for Facebook and other non-educational activities rather than what they were given for?
Surely the money would be better spent on books including encyclopaedias and children taught how to use them  Undecided
they provide the books as digital content, and have swapped from physical to digital work for many things, homework is now complied on the tab and emailed to the teachers, they can contact teachers outside school hours for help with there work and a whole host of other things, oh and its also providing the kids with a multitude of work related skills (IT based communications being number 1)
the problems with the setup are threefold;
#1- no say in if they get the device,
#2- the school locks out the admin side of the device and fines you if you install unauthorised software (like internet security software)
#3- the school only blocks certain websites (because its too limiting to the kids development) during class time of which there are only a few   

@gnicholson8
except its not government censorship its an age related filter implemented solely by the isp (bt) who have chosen to limit everything by default to whats classed as under 13 appropriate (which I cant actually argue with since its what I set all my net nanny systems at and then provide specific exclusions)
if the government had legislated in order to have the filters put in place they would of restricted access to over 18 content only, since its currently illegal to be homosexual until your 18 any and all LBGT stuff would be excluded as would all dating sites and anything that hosted adverts for pornographic material (which would include facebook)
personally I would like there to be a legislated system which required people to register at the police station giving dna/fingerprint /iris scan in order to receive a personal opt out code to use in order to access anything that's been filtered out, of course the use of such data base would be for law enforcement purposes and used to reduce crime figures and/or speed up case closure rates Smiley
but I think the anti privacy idiots would throw a track if someone tried to implement that Smiley


So if I wanted to watch porn I should have to give my DNA, IRIS and Finger prints wow, you have some really screwed up views of freedom.
It is based on the proposal of government filter and as far as I am concerned it is not the ISP's job to be doing this but the parents (ie you with your net nanny system)
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

I don't have kids, or have kids in the house. What I view on/off line is up to ME not the government  Crazy
Not that I view online pron  Shocked But I don't want anybody telling me what sites I can and cannot visit.  Angry
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All of the big ISPs will be following suit. These people aren't though: http://aa.net.uk/kb-broadband-realinternet.html
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I setup a Squid3 + Dansguardian proxy server at home for the stepson to use - it blocks the majority of anything nasty.
He just takes a copy of Bravissimo up instead as he realises he can't get what he wants from t'iternet here  Grin
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Does this block all the multitude of proxy servers which will pop up for popular items?

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I just had a closer look at the list for light filtering and realised that along with the various nasties I can't look for wine on line - will this block Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda etc. Crazy
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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Does this block all the multitude of proxy servers which will pop up for popular items?

It works on a number of different filter based rules - you can have it look for various keywords or combinations of keywords as well as lists of blocked sites.
Probably not bombproof as it is getting quite old technology these days but more than enough for home and light industrial use Smiley
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It works on a number of different filter based rules - you can have it look for various keywords or combinations of keywords as well as lists of blocked sites.
Probably not bombproof as it is getting quite old technology these days but more than enough for home and light industrial use Smiley

Can it detect and block attempts to establish an SSL vpn tunnel?
Previous experience shows that some filters can where others miss it completely and I'm able to punch right through them.
I've even see people implement web filters and forget about HTTPS traffic entirely!  Shocked
Edit:
I should clarify it depends on how the filters handle SSL (Secure) communications and also their policy on unknown/unclassified sites.
If they allow as of yet unclassified sites or you have an endpoint on an IP that's in a "safe" category then it's usually possible to get past the filter unless it MITM's SSL traffic and is clever enough to spot the VPN attempt.

It's easy enough to block IP's of known VPN providers but anyone can run a VPN server these-days...
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the problem is that google changed things so it doesn't co-operate with existing internet safety stuff, mcafee's internet protection software blocks all google sites, oddly it doesn't block shopping sites, it does allow exclusions to be added on a site by site basis, and it can be disabled by using task killer (android) or task manager (pc) so its pointless, which is actually the same with all of that stuff, it doesn't matter what admin rules you put in place they can be bypassed by the child using a paperclip .........
setting up a home server is totally pointless when they will just use something else to bypass it (like real player) and get free access to the internet, so an isp based system is the only option
I tried using white list custom dns, the kids changed there default dns servers (because kids get taught this stuff in school) and theres no way to block that unless your running a terminal server.
requiring a username/password combo to let you through the "block" temporarily isn't a bad thing, for those who don't have kids they are able to request there internet is "unfiltered" permanently
me I already know I cant stop access to inappropriate material without resorting to spending hundred of pounds to run a server, the isp optional system is far better than a legislated for always on non optional filter
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Re: BT Porn filter turned on

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I tried using white list custom dns, the kids changed there default dns servers (because kids get taught this stuff in school) and theres no way to block that unless your running a terminal server.

My home network uses OpenDNS with custom filtering for my kids machines, so I am interested how you think the DNS server settings can be overridden, because their logins don't have administrator privileges so preventing any changes to the network settings, and their machines have been set not to boot from anything other than the hard drive - therefore making modifications from a 'live' OS impossible.
Not that it makes much difference on their network, as my internet gateway router has been configured to rewrite outgoing DNS requests to only be resolved by DNS servers of my choosing.  Therefore even if a machine had somehow been reconfigured to ask for results from SecretMegaPornDNS, the answer will ALWAYS come back from OpenDNS and be suitably filtered.
This setup has worked adequately so far, and that is with a son who is top of his year in I.T.  Grin

The filtering problem I have is YouTube !  Angry
My kids machines have YouTube blocked, not because of the videos, but because of the disgusting language used by other people leaving associated comments.
Unfortunately our local schools keep setting homework (even for 8 year olds) where the children are asked to watch specified YouTube videos and then write what they thought the film was about.  That in itself isn't too bad, but even with those selected videos, there are pages of vile language in the comments that I don't want to see, let alone allowing my children to read.
The only solution that works, is for me to make an .mp4 file of the selected homework videos, and let my kids watch those offline.  Angry
I really don't understand why YouTube don't implement a swear filter similar to that used in this Forum, as that sort of language is unnecessary on such a universally accessed website.
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