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wotsup
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@RobPN wrote:

@nozzer wrote:

Sky is reporting that Honda will announce the closure of its Swindon plant, starting in 2021, complete by a year later. Whatever the reason, the UK can't afford for this to continue. 


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Reported on the BBC this afternoon that Honda made the decision to invest heavily in Diesel engines just at the wrong time.  So not directly Brexit-related.


This is the same for Ford engine plant in Wales, Jaguar have phased out using Ford engines from that plant as they have a massive engine plant of their own in Shropshire..  But remoaners love to blame Brexit for everything,  Honda have suffered a massive 40% drop in profit worldwide,  the whole car industry is suffering especially Germany due to collapse of Chinese economy, same for Jaguar..  Diesel sales dropped through the floor and to be fair to Honda they never liked Diesel, they were quoted as saying Diesel engines were a dead end technology as far as emissions were concerned and only reluctantly started using them.

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... and to be fair to Honda they never liked Diesel, they were quoted as saying Diesel engines were a dead end technology as far as emissions were concerned and only reluctantly started using them.


It seems they're not much good at petrol engines either judging by their supplying of engines to poorly performing Formula 1 team McLaren over recent seasons.  :smiley:

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There's still a market for Diesel engines.

I wonder what all those HGV's use - not to mention all those ferries that we are buying/not buying... :2funny:

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@wotsup wrote:

@RobPN wrote:

@nozzer wrote:

Sky is reporting that Honda will announce the closure of its Swindon plant, starting in 2021, complete by a year later. Whatever the reason, the UK can't afford for this to continue. 


@nozzer

Reported on the BBC this afternoon that Honda made the decision to invest heavily in Diesel engines just at the wrong time.  So not directly Brexit-related.


This is the same for Ford engine plant in Wales, Jaguar have phased out using Ford engines from that plant as they have a massive engine plant of their own in Shropshire..  But remoaners love to blame Brexit for everything,  Honda have suffered a massive 40% drop in profit worldwide,  the whole car industry is suffering especially Germany due to collapse of Chinese economy, same for Jaguar..  Diesel sales dropped through the floor and to be fair to Honda they never liked Diesel, they were quoted as saying Diesel engines were a dead end technology as far as emissions were concerned and only reluctantly started using them.


 



Indeed it may be nothing to do with brexit, and it may be partly to do with global trends and overcapacity, but brexit made the hard decision of where to cut just a little bit easier. And now Japan Inc will be able to secure the future of its home workforce by shipping direct to Europe tariff free. What a coincidence that so many international companies have either warned, or are warning, that they have intentions to leave the UK.

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https://blog.autokartz.com/japan-could-consolidate-to-three-automakers-by-2020/

 

Massive changes happening in car industry, with people waiting for useable BEV and self driving cars they are not buying and there is a massive oversupply in the world.

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And if we were still guaranteed to remain in the EU they could have left the Swindon plant open and exported just twenty miles to the continent instead of now having to send their stuff half way round the world to get here. Contraction or no contraction.

The reason the Japanese did a deal with the EU last year was because we were otherwise occupied preparing for Brexit. No point in making any deals with anyone that is likely to dip out and might prove to be untrustworthy. 

And we had better get used to this for at least the next ten years. Remainers are going to attribute everything bad happening to Brexit. Leavers wanted it, leavers can own it.

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As far as I'm aware those partnerships are being negotiated not by the UK individually, but by the EU and other bodies.  Therefore whatever terms are agreed is nothing to do with Brexit.

 


Simple Typo aside, they show exactly what is common in those sort of agreements.

 

Perhaps you think our 'special relationship' makes us immune? Rather than our upcoming isolation and small size making us more of a target?

You are mistaken.

if they will try it with the EU, they will DEMAND it of us.

 

Look at the links I gave to see what the US lobby is pressing for. It IS their wants that count to the US.

 

 

Show us ONE just ONE real, defined benefit for the British public from Brexit

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@nozzer

Reported on the BBC this afternoon that Honda made the decision to invest heavily in Diesel engines just at the wrong time.  So not directly Brexit-related.


 

So company's that actually assured the UK that they would continue investment in support of the government and its Brexit stance,

... which companies plan decades ahead, 

suddenly realise, they are going to about face and be stopping production ... within a few weeks of a likely hard Brexit (and in any case looking at years or decades of uncertainty),

 

and its nothing to do with Brexit?

LOL

 

Which do you think it really was/is

1. The manufacturers lied about the investment in the first place to support the government for certain favours

2. They realise the government lied to them or will be unable to deliver on the governments 'assurances' and the manufacturers no longer believe they have any 'arrangements' to support

 

?Huh

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The Japanese/EU deal gives the EU "favoured partner" status - which means that any future deal with the UK will necessarily be worse after Brexit.

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Honda factory in Turkey closing as well 

 

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17441297.honda-reaction-factory-in-turkey-will-also-close-m...

 

The motor industry worldwide is in a big mess thanks to demise of diesel and no practical cost effective electric cars yet despite the hype of last 10 years. Buyers are delaying purchases waiting for things to settle down and anyone with a diesel car will get nothing in partX. 

 

The Honda factory in Swindon never made large volumes anyway, a company I used to work for made body parts for Honda and they never called off even 30% of the predicted production demand, so Honda factory always running well below capacity.

 

Honda has only ever had around 1% of car market share in European market, they enjoy much better sales in Asia, USA and Japan. It has always been a bit of an anomaly for them to have a car factory in Europe, but UK is probably their biggest market in EU. 

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@VileReynard wrote:

The Japanese/EU deal gives the EU "favoured partner" status - which means that any future deal with the UK will necessarily be worse after Brexit.


 

Yes, and they have known that was going to be happening for some considerable time.

 

Most manufacturing was planned to be returning to Japan by 2020/2021

Which made the assurances reported by them re UK manufacturing more significant

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From the Telegraph, just for any interested doom & gloom remainers who like to blame everything on Brexit ...

Don't blame Brexit – Honda's problems run far deeper than that

 

 


Typically, Honda is making no comment on today's revelations. It seldom does. Nor does it accept government bribes to place its factories where politicians would like them to be built. Brexit might be blamed by the commentariat, but the truth of Swindon's reported demise is a lot more complicated.

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Honda is a little bit different to such normal car companies. As former UK chief exec Ken Kier used to say: Honda doesn’t really have a marketing department, the engineers tell us what they are going to make and we get on and sell them. This was an inspired strategy, with cars like the Civic, Jazz, CR-V and Accord all setting engineering standards in their respective classes, but lately this approach has made the company look leaden-footed in Europe, particularly the UK.

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Some analysts have criticised the company for being too preoccupied with the US market, where it's still hugely popular. Because while the Swindon plant might have the manufacturing capacity for a quarter of a million cars per year, selling those cars has been tricky, with poor visibility in Europe through a patchy dealer network that suffers from historically low profitability.

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If it's true, and Honda Swindon really is closing in three years, try to maintain a sense of proportion, especially when Brexit is blamed. It might be a convenient handle on which to hang bad news, but Honda's trouble has been brewing since long before June 2016.


 

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Whilst others seem to forget that the referendum was called because Camerons renegotiation achieved results which were far from satisfactory to the majority.


 

On 11 May 2014 David Cameron gave a cast-iron pledge to hold a referendum by the end of 2017 he outlined having talks with the other EU countries first and then calling a referendum.

To suggest otherwise is fake news, a falsehood.

Like it or not most people don't read beyond the headlines, its the editors of newspapers that right the headlines and I doubt the multi billionaire political elite owners of the Express, Sun, Mail or Telegraph allowing their editors to be positive about the EU.

Cameron was proposing a mix of EU reforms and change of UK laws. I hadn't read details of the changes till recently, I'm surprised when people claim he achieved nothing...when there was this....

What the final deal said: "It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom." 

  

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Liam Fox signed the continuity deal with Israel yesterday, the ones I've read so far are; "as near as possible" to the one's the UK already have by being a member of the EU. Israel & EU have had an agreement in place since 2000.

Here's part of yesterday's blurb from DIT

 

The agreement simplifies trade and allows businesses to trade as freely as they do now, without any additional barriers or tariffs.

Trading on these preferential terms rather than on World Trade Organization terms will deliver significant savings and help to safeguard British jobs.

This will help to further strengthen the trading relationship between the UK and Israel, which was worth £4 billion in the year ending 2018 Q3.

 

Simplifies trade ? Sounds like Mr Fox is attempting to hoodwink the public he's done a better deal than the one already in place via the EU. Seems to taking a pop at Jacob Rees-Mogg & Boris Johnson who claim No Deal & copping with WTO tariffs is fine.

So that's deals said to be worth around £20bn but are actually worth £0bn and add nothing to our current trade, at a cost to the UK of millions if not billions.

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The other week Jaguar/Land Rover said they had spent millions on just having to prepare for various Brexit scenarios.

On Sunday Airbus admitted to having already spent ten's of millions preparing for Brexit even though they have no idea what form it will take, as the executive said that's money they would have rather have spent investing in projects and people.