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@RobC wrote:

 


 

I will ...

When you Brexiters deliver what was promised as your end of the bargain.

 

Now if you deliver what you promised, all the benefits, none of the costs++ BEFORE Brexit day - as advertised

I doubt anyone would be complaining .. I certainly wouldn't.

 

 

 


Ah, you mean like Japan is getting under its trade partnership deal with the EU.

 

It's quite clear why the EU won't bend and agree similar terms for the UK;

1.  As stated previously, they're miffed at the prospect of losing £billions which the UK contributes, a trap which Japan hadn't already fallen into.

2.  They're scared of the domino effect of other countries leaving if they set the UK free without heavily penalising us.

 

Roll on 29th March 2019..

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@RobPN wrote:


Ah, you mean like Japan is getting under its trade partnership deal with the EU.

 

It's quite clear why the EU won't bend and agree similar terms for the UK;


 

yes, the UK has nothing to offer - and less and less by the day thanks to the Brexiters

More than 800 BILLION less already identified

 

 

 


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1.  As stated previously, they're miffed at the prospect of losing £billions which the UK contributes

 


 

and that 800 Billion has gone to the EU (including Rees-Moggs company) - which leaves the EU well in profit

Hope they investigate them now they are EU rather than protected UK. They must think even thats worth the move.

 

 

Still waiting for Brexit to deliver on ANY of its quite clear promises, let alone all of them.

Payment is now overdue.

 

In fact seems clear grounds for revoking the Article 50 notification and remaining, but being a rational and reasonable person, a referendum on the current situation will do

Leave No Deal or Mays Deal (you can fight it out if you win)

Remain

 

or a straightforward 3 choice Vote with 1st + 2nd choices

- with the 3rd place votes going to their second choices to ensure the fairest option.

 

 

 

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@RobC wrote:

 


 

... the UK has nothing to offer - and less and less by the day thanks to the Brexiters

 

 

 


More project fear remainer lies. What about the huge trade deficit the UK has with the EU? (In the EUs favour)

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@RobPN wrote:

@RobC wrote:

 


 

... the UK has nothing to offer - and less and less by the day thanks to the Brexiters

 

 

 


More project fear remainer lies. What about the huge trade deficit the UK has with the EU? (In the EUs favour)


Yup, deficit  about £90billion in goods that we buy from EU, if you take services that UK supplies to EU deficit  comes down to around £65billion.  The things EU sell to UK normally carry a higher profit margin than the same goods sold to other countries, no wonder Germans and French businesses are panicking and deeply concerned about how the political animals in EU hierarchy have handled the 'negotiations' and seem to have forgotten about the business side.  Trade is just a sideline for the top dogs in EU, no more than a means to an end, and that end is total political control of all member States..

 

It's no good remoaners claiming that brexiteers have not delivered, we haven't left yet...

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Don't feed the troll.

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It's no good remoaners claiming that brexiteers have not delivered, we haven't left yet...


 

* We will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave (Vote Leave) 

 

* I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019 (David Davis)

 

* Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU … The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated   (David Davis)

 

 

* There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside   (David Davis)

 

* Free trade deal with EU one of the easiest deal in human history   (Liam Fox)

 

* The UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation and can choose our own path (with the EU)   (John Redwood/Michael Gove)

 

* [Of rumours of a £40bn bill:] They sort of made that up   (David Davis)

 
* The UK is currently implementing a new customs declaration service, which will replace the existing HMRC customs system. This is a high-priority project within government and HMRC is on track to deliver by January 2019   (Department for Exiting the EU)

 

* As it happens it might make more sense to have a second referendum after the renegotiation is completed  (Rees-Mogg)

 

 

So, A deals is a deal.

Even ignoring "We will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave"

 

The Brexit sales spin was 'free trade and customs deal with EU' (no downside)

and trade agreements 'massively larger than EU' fully negotiated ready to go

all 'concluded before March 2019' 

- so until the Brexiters deliver on their assurances

- No Brexit

 

 

 

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@RobPN wrote:

When was the last referendum on the subject held prior to 2016?  Oh yes I remember ... 1975 wasn't it?


That's when we were asked, two years after joining, if we wanted to remain in a relatively small trading bloc.

If only we'd been asked years ago about the subsequent political integration.

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I would have voted for a closer political integration.

As it was, they were able to prevent some of the worst excesses of the Westminster crew.

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eu pie chart.jpg

 

 

That's huge! NOT!  Never trust a man that talks in clichés.

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@RobC wrote:

@@wotsup wrote:

 

It's no good remoaners claiming that brexiteers have not delivered, we haven't left yet...


 

* We will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave (Vote Leave) 

 

* I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019 (David Davis)

 

* Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU … The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated   (David Davis)

 

 

* There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside   (David Davis)

 

* Free trade deal with EU one of the easiest deal in human history   (Liam Fox)

 

* The UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation and can choose our own path (with the EU)   (John Redwood/Michael Gove)

 

* [Of rumours of a £40bn bill:] They sort of made that up   (David Davis)

 
* The UK is currently implementing a new customs declaration service, which will replace the existing HMRC customs system. This is a high-priority project within government and HMRC is on track to deliver by January 2019   (Department for Exiting the EU)

 

* As it happens it might make more sense to have a second referendum after the renegotiation is completed  (Rees-Mogg)

 

 

So, A deals is a deal.

Even ignoring "We will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave"

 

The Brexit sales spin was 'free trade and customs deal with EU' (no downside)

and trade agreements 'massively larger than EU' fully negotiated ready to go

all 'concluded before March 2019' 

- so until the Brexiters deliver on their assurances

- No Brexit

 

 

 


Unfortunately the EU has been emboldened and encouraged by UK remoaner antics to offer the worst possible deal in the hope that UK will not leave - if the losers had shown some integrity and accepted majority vote and not kept up a constant noise the EU would have seriously negotiated, but as it stands they have not seen the need to negotiate in any meaningful way because the remainers were busy digging out the ground from under the UK negotiating position. EU  just built up a wall of their precious 4 freedoms and hid behind it - aided by the Irish useful fools Varadkar and Coveney. 

To me the remainers antics constitute ' perverting the course of Brexit' and treason ( aiding the enemy ),  but they will never accept that the bad deal we have been offered is purely down to their actions.

I hope Japan realises that Sushi will never pass EU standards unless they add a lot more red herrings and the EU will never change their 'tuna' or their political 'porpoise'.

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@nozzer wrote:

eu pie chart.jpg

 

 

That's huge! NOT!  Never trust a man that talks in clichés.


I noticed that truth in my recent 2019/20 tax coding and review of what I paid in 2018/19; 0.065%.

What to spend such a bonanza on?! An extra toilet roll for each hospital?Roll_eyes

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To ignore the UK's Foreign Secretary (Boris Johnson) writing lengthy 4,000 words essays at key moments which were at odds with what was agreed in Cabinet, as not undermining negotiations with the EU, shows a complete lack of understanding of politics.

 

 

When our Chief negotiator David Davis, writes just days before taking the job, of doing trade deals with individual EU countries before the UK leaves the EU, demonstrated to the other EU countries he was a complete bozzo. This was later confirmed when he turned up to negotiations not even with a blank piece of paper but a blank mind as well. Also when his in-depth impact analysis was shown to be merely a collection of newspaper cuttings.

Liam Fox early on in a public spat with Philip Hammond saying all that was need was a transition period of 2-3 weeks and later saying 40 trade deals would be ready to roll over by March 29, the EU must have thought what a chump.

 

 

How many pro Brexit ministers have resigned from the government during the negotiations, how many Exit ministers have there been before even leaving...of course that didn't undermine negotiations.

When Dominic Rabb said he didn't realise how important the port of Dover was to trade, never made the EU countries think what an out of touch minister, they didn't rub their hands in glee at ignorance? 

 

After 2 years Chris Grayling mysteriously realised last November he'd grossly underestimated the needs of the country and had to urgently seek ferries.

Those are just some examples of decisions/actions taken by extremely pro Brexit supporters that have undermined the UK's negotiations with the other 27 EU countries.  

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@wotsup wrote:

 

Unfortunately the EU has been emboldened and encouraged by UK remoaner antics to offer the worst possible deal in the hope that UK will not leave

 

EU  just built up a wall of their precious 4 freedoms and hid behind it - aided by the Irish useful fools Varadkar and Coveney. 

 

Typical Brexiter - its always somebody elses fault

- 'oh my god they didn't just give me all the cake and sweets I wanted and pay for it themselves. Who would have thought it?'

 

Well the sooner the Brexiters deliver their promised:

'free trade and customs deal with EU' (no downside) and trade agreements 'massively larger than EU' fully negotiated ready to go -  all 'concluded before March 2019'

 

... and of course 'implementing a new customs declaration service, which will replace the existing HMRC customs system

(which was on track to deliver by January 2019) and is of course needed to address the Belfast/Good Friday agreement Peace process and Island of Ireland border issues - hence removing the need for any safety net

 

... The sooner we can forgive your FAILING to 'negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave'

and move on to the promised land of Brexit

 

 ... BUT you do need to get a move on.

Only a few days left until Feb 28th (before March) for you Brexit boys to deliver on your side of the agreement

- or we'll consider you defaulted, the deals off and we will be looking for compensation for the hassle you've caused.

 

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We are supposedly leaving the EU because it is protectionist and forces up food prices....but Michael Gove has told the NFU the government will apply tariffs to food imports to protect British farmers, if WTO rules apply it means food from other EU countries will no longer be tariff free...which means consumers will face higher prices.

One thing I can reassure you it will not be the case that we will have zero rate tariffs on products, there will be protections for sensitive sections of agriculture and food production,” Gove said.

Meanwhile Liam Fox & Philip Hammond are said to want to lower tariffs to protect consumers from higher prices due to Brexit.

A representative of the NFU & Gerard Lyons of Netwealth both agreed in the UK the cost of food only represents 8% of income, 

There are only eight countries in the world that spend less than 10% of their household income on food. Four of these are in Europe: the UK is third at 8.2%, followed by Switzerland at 8.7%; Ireland spends 9.6% and Austria 9.9%.

 

Yet another Brexit myth busted? 

 

 

 

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@christmas wrote:

 

Yet another Brexit myth busted? 

 


and the self-contradictory arguments used by Brexiters to justify their stances - depending on which bit they are attempting to prop up.

 

Brexiters (Davies/Gove/Fox/Redwood etc)

we will remove all tariffs / we will increase tariffs

It will be free trade / we will make everything tariff free and hope everyone else does / we will increase tariffs and hope others wont / WTO solves everything /  blah blah blah

 

and thats ignoring the utter cretin Johnson who JUST talks complete [-Censored-]s

 

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