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@wotsup wrote:

 

Interesting how joining EEC in 1973 cut our growth, reduced our exports to Europe and strangled our economy for the next 10 years till Maggie Thatcher came along and revitalised things with her new ideas on the economy and our relationship with those pesky Europeans.

Did it? Did she?

Prior to joining the EEC our exports to those countries between 1965 and 1972 went from 27% to 30% 

(Source: Enoch Powell 1975) 

By 1980 our exports to the EEC had risen to 53%.

(Source: House of Commons Research Briefing 2011)

In 1981/82/83 Saint Margaret over saw a decline to 50%, yes exports did rise but....wait for it, by1993 they were back to 1980 levels in percentage terms.

Let's spend our time instead looking at the UK trade balance....Maggie took us from a trade surplus in 1980 of £1.3bn and in 1981 £3bn leaping to a deficit of -£5bn in 1984 to -£11.6bn in 1987. The following year the trade deficit almost doubled to  -£21.5bn in 1988, I won't shock with the -£24bn deficit in 1889.

(Source: House of Commons Research Briefing 2011)

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@RobPN wrote: 

And how many voted to remain in the Common Market in 1975 not knowing what it meant?  Clearly since then, the UK as a whole woke up and changed its mind about what the Common Market had morphed into.

 

Yipes, you are still harbouring grudges from the 1970's -1980's, get over it.

 As a percentage of household budgets food costs was slashed during that period, the evidence is in detailed accounts maintained across the UK.

The UK was already in the EEC voters had experience of being of being a member, the British public fully embraced the idea of remaining a member. If they wanted to they could read the Rome Treaty or the UK's agreement with the EEC and I believe Harold Wilson had negotiated different terms prior to the 1975 referendum. 

With Brexit no one had a clue what it meant, I don't recall Vote Leave saying it would cost billions to leave, that their vote was to leave with no deal. Vote leave's cop out for all their wild claims was..."we are not the government". After two years the government still does not know what Brexit is.

At the referendum and after the public were told the EU would prostrate themselves for a deal with the UK, "they need us more than we need them". Our Trade Minister proudly boasted of having 40 trade deals in place the moment we leave the EU....after 2½ years only 2 signed so far and they are supposed to be easy ones. I won't repeat what David Davis claimed. 

 

You seem to think everyone voted leave for the same reason as yourself, that their interpretation of Brexit is the same as yours, but the evidence is to the contrary. The Cameron government had no plan, Leave campaigners had no plan, Theresa May had no plan, David Davis had no idea what he was doing, Chris Grayling is all at sea.

My opinion is that most people aren't interested in the detail they vote on generalities.

The more I observe Brexit the more I think of football fans, who demand the owner spends a fortune on a player or manager, and if its a disaster the fans suddenly deny they ever wanted the player or manager. 

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@christmas wrote:

You seem to think everyone voted leave for the same reason as yourself, that their interpretation of Brexit is the same as yours, but the evidence is to the contrary.

 

I suppose everyone who voted remain all voted for exactly the same reason as well ( because they loved the EU and all its institutions),  but I know some who actually believed establishment propaganda and that the sky really would fall in, others because they were afraid that their beloved cheap flights ( that are destroying the environment) would disappear. others because they had holiday homes in Europe etc. etc. 

I also know many shallow people who wanted to join Euro 'because they would not have to change money to go on holiday' - they knew nothing ( or cared nothing) about the implications of shackling completely different national economies together with a common currency, but without a coherent fiscal policy.

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