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Are they really human?

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Are they really human?

It never ceases to amaze me how when people want to hurt or punish others they can come up with and design all sorts of sickening tools for the job.
Take this for example (courtesy of the daily mail):

So in order to torture sick people, scientists will go to extroadinary lengths to develop new pills, brain transferring tech etc. Yet we can go decades with people suffering terminal illnesses such as cancer and very little is done about it.
Are these people right in the head? Why do we only make major advances when it comes to killing or torturing people? Something about this is wrong, very wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making killers pay for their crimes but I wish this wasn't the primary reason for this research. Keeping ill people alive or at least saving their consciousness would have been a brilliant reason but no.. it's because we want to impose more punishment on people  Roll eyes
When will we learn?
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Devonian
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At face value..  the vilest monsters in the prison system deserve all they get.
But, if the Government have already poured Billions into research, will they stop at using it just for the worst of the worst in jail?
Surely this is one of the things my Grandad fought the Germans to prevent?
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what I continue to be amazed by is that people would rather do sick shit like this than beheading in a public square !
I constantly hear tell that barbaric treatment and persecution through state sanctions is bad ,evil etc etc  yet putting someone out of their misery (lifer) with an execution (which coincidentally saves the tax payer a fortune) is just wrong......and yet billions are wasted every decade on providing medical treatment to ensure the longest possible survival of such a person .....
totally barking
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Devonian
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How about this for an idea... cut the budget for the prisoners living conditions.. take away the tv's, the xbox's, the cooked breakfasts.  Give then 1 meal a day, and let them sit and think about the reasons they are there.
And use all the money saved to put into the NHS.  Including the BILLIONS being spent researching TORTURE.
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It costs nothing when they have Google at their fingertips Cheesy
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take away the tv's

Really wouldn't save anything. Prisoners are brainwashed into thinking the TV's are for their benefit. The TV's are really for the prison guards benefit so prisoners sit quietly in their cells.
If more prisoners wondered about they would need to spend a lot more money doubling the number of guards to keep things in order.
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Legally prisoners are only entitled to an hour per day out of their cells. 
So they wouldn't need any extra staff, just lock them up 23 hours a day and stop them socialising with their criminal mates.
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Locked in crowded cells 23 hours a day.
I think you would need more guards to intervene in all the ensuing fights in the cells.
The idea of less guards and stopping socialising might work with single cells but then you have the enormous expense of building more prisons.
TV's are cheap in comparison to any other option.
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not really, they will either see the futility of there fights or reduce the prison population, no need to break up the fights, and once people realise the screws aint coming to the rescue they will swap to cells they can live in rather than waiting to get shived by a disgruntled cell mate, hell you could even have a tally chart to see who gets through the most cell mates in a year (of course extending there incarceration time by 1 year for every deceased cellmate, or 5 years for every one that survives the assault for proper incentive) with the winner getting granted immunity for 30 days of new crimes .....
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Locked in crowded cells 23 hours a day.

I never understand it when the news reports 'Over crowded prisons'.
Prison cells hold either one, or two prisoners.  With cells designed and furnished for either one or two prisoners.
Each wing averages 10 Prison staff on duty at any one time, so they could easily offer up a one hour socialising/showering time per day per prisoner.
Prison is meant to be a place of punishment, and taking away the luxuries of every day life goes towards that punishment surely?
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The loss of freedom is supposed to be the punishment. The rest is rehabilitation.
The training usually involving work, with the TV used as a behavioural carrot as in tow the line or lose it.
Twenty three hour training in fighting and killing is fine if everyone that goes to prison stays there for the rest of their lives.
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Twenty three hour training in fighting and killing is fine if everyone that goes to prison stays there for the rest of their lives.

given that they would either fight or die that would pretty much be a given :~()
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I don't understand where the 23 hours training and fighting has come from?
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Twenty three hours from you and the fighting and killing from nanotm post.
I hear Guantanamo bay is recruiting. Must be a few interested parties here.
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Guantanamo is disaster waiting to end, it was designed as one from the moment they identified the location for "enhanced interrogation"
I have no problem allowing the most debased member's of sub society (the criminal underworld) trashing themselves and being left to get on with it as it were, but state conducted torture (for no real reason) I disagree with, if the place was a detention /execution centre I would be happy with it mind you, the key would be to treat everyone with civility and allow them the mimicry of due process via a military tribunal (of course there sodding guilty they were arrested whilst trying to kill a stabilisation force) and those who had intel (verifiable) could have there sentence (which would always be death) suspended (indefinitely if there intel is good enough)
what makes the whole Guantanamo problem even more farcical is those people who ended up there (who were arrested during combat situations in Afghanistan) that were British citizens were let go after a few years and the British government paid them a million quid each for illegal detention and humiliating treatment (because of the USA  being a key ally and the responsible partner nation for running detention facility for combatants) and a few years down the line we are informed blithely by the media that the same individuals have been arrested over here on anti terrorism charges .......
they should of been buried in the sand and never bothered with the farce (it would of saved more lives if the allies weren't so keen on taking prisoners)
but civil prisons run as part of the state judicial system should be horrible sh** holes that people want to avoid like the plague rather than the hotel's they have become idolised by an increasingly laxidazicle criminal society
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