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Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

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Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/17/kaspersky_labs_equation_group/
https://securelist.com/blog/research/68750/equation-the-death-star-of-malware-galaxy/
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America's National Security Agency (NSA) has infected hard disk firmware with spyware in a campaign valued as highly as Stuxnet and dating back at least 14 years, and possibly up to two decades, according to an analysis by Kaspersky labs and subsequent reports.

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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

I think we all know the americans are very clever at spying on people and will find all sorts of inventive ways of doing it. Given that much of our computing technology is designed and developed over there it's only natural that their intelligence services would take advantage of it.
Does it worry me? No not really as I'm not a terrorist but if I were, I certainly wouldn't be using an internet connected computer anyway. Osama Bin Laden had that one worked out too. No this is a technique they've employed to spy on other nations.
Interestingly they mention that the drives carried a .dll file which then drags the likes of microsoft into this. .dll files don't just self execute they have to be opened by a process that is looking for them so it won't be long before somone starts asking what microsofts involvement was in order for that file to be used. The actual firmware isn't going to be opening up TCP sockets and creating encrypted connections directly back to america over your network, it would have to interact with the operating system which would have to be aware that it was looking for it in the first place. Truth be told I suspect that a lot more hardware might have back doors - eg the motherboard bios (though presumably these are reverse engineered a lot more than hard drive firmwares).
Anyway while i'll agree it does make the americans look a bit more untrustable and very paranoid i don't really feel threatened by it.
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

if this is it all believable (and i'm not in the camp) then why don't the authorities find it really easy to catch all the kiddie porn people
why does it usually take someone taking their PC into PC world (ie Gary Glitter) before they are caught?
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

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... to catch all the kiddie porn people

What and jail all those senior politicians?
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

I'm not with the greenhouse inhabitants.
Sometimes it would be nice if privacy was more than just an illusion.
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

given the .dll files were in the usb sticks its far more likely they were just autoread as part of the driver update procedure, and the infected machine probably just needed an extra few seconds in its boot cycle the next time it restarted to finish the job off ......

I recall that all usb sticks we had at work had "call home" software on them that utilised virus base code to work silently in the background, all that seems to have been done here is to distribute infected media through things such as cd/dvd and usb modules, no doubt they only sent them to a targeted group of people, certainly they don't have such things running on the average system and the headline is just a lot of clickbait noise given that the so called revelations came out as part of the snowden portfolio, a lot of which seemed to be more fanciful than factual, its a lot easier to intercept old fashioned communications than it is modern ones ....
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

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if this is it all believable (and i'm not in the camp) then why don't the authorities find it really easy to catch all the kiddie porn people

The NSA isn't interested in small time police activities though is it. It's interested in national security of it's own land and those of its friends (technically us).
As I said in my earlier reply, this isn't for small time snooping this would have been for spying on other countries leaderships and militaries.
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

the clue was the first 6 words in my post.
i find the whole thing wholly unbelievable.
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

It's all very reminiscent of the east german Stazi, assuming it's true of course, couldn't care less if it is true or not though myself, but if you really care about such things the only way to get away from all the so-called spying these days is to dig a hole, jump in it and bury yourself... Roll eyes
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

no need to go to that level, you could quite feasibly live your life in bunkervile with zero connected equipment and no wireless tech in the building to evade the apparent pervasive spying techniques .......then again every time you left the building it would be risky as the spys could gain entry and just go old school on you ......
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

who cares ?
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

Odd though, hundreds or perhaps it's thousands of people go missing in this country every year and despite enquiries are never found.
Perhaps the way forward is to reinvent yourself and start afresh as some people do.
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

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who cares ?

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I've always worried about conspiracies and stuff in the past but you get to a point eventually where you start thinking.. well hang on.. this happened, that happened, x, y, z.. i'm still here, no bad guys have abducted me and done experiments... is it really worth worrying about?
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Odd though, hundreds or perhaps it's thousands of people go missing in this country every year and despite enquiries are never found.
Perhaps the way forward is to reinvent yourself and start afresh as some people do.

Lets face it, many of them don't reinvent themselves. You still need a national insurance number to work where ever you go and unless you completely make up a new identity (with a false birth certificate) you're pretty screwed for work in your new life. Same goes for a driving licence too. Now I appreciate you can change your name via deed poll and keep all of that but then you are still at the mercy of the state and the police to not be looking for you or keep your new life confidential. You could just live completely off grid, live in a shared property with bills included, cash in hand work etc but eventually people will realise that there is something slightly strange about your way of living and the way you like to avoid certain things - in essence your problems will catch up with you but in a different way.
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

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I've always worried about conspiracies and stuff in the past.................................................... i'm still here, no bad guys have abducted me and done experiments... is it really worth worrying about?


Hmm.... perhaps, you should be worrying about "why haven`t they"... "what`s wrong with me... that they don`t come and abduct me " ....  Grin
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Re: Another one for the tin foil hat brigade

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no bad guys have abducted me and done experiments

What about the aliens and their probes? Smiley