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Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

MrC
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Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

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Re: Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

Yes, and so it should be.  A complete waste of time and money.
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Re: Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

Yep watered down beyond any usefulness...
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SRD
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Re: Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

That's my opinion too, they're a damn good idea and, in the long term a lot less expensive than the alternative which only pours money into the surveyors pockets without giving any real idea of the state of the property.
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Re: Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

As a buyer would you rely on the HIP's or will you also have a survey done  and what about the mortgage company do they also rely on the HIP's or do they insist on having their own survey?
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Re: Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

There was a discussion on the radio this morning and a number of callers said they didn't look at the HIP when buying or selling a house.  Some also said their solicitor ignored the HIP.  As far as I recall some building societies still required a survey. If this was widespread it was just another unnecessary cost.
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Re: Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

The HIPs didn't have any surveys in, it was a badly done enery rating report. At best...
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Re: Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

Perzackerly, the original idea was to provide a regular, deep survey of the majority of properties to ensure that they were kept up to date on maintenance, rewiring etc.  It made far more sense that that survey remained with the property, a bit like a service and MOT record should stay with a vehicle.  But those who had most to lose by the introduction of an independent, third party inspection of their building and maintenance techniques were able to bring sufficient financial pressure to bear to ensure that any relavance to reality was removed from the system.  However, the advantage of having the system in place meant that the regulations could  be changed thus bringing into force much stricter adherence to good building practice, that opportunity has now been chucked out of the window giving any cowboy builder the green light to continue building sub-standard properties, to continue doing sub-standard maintenance and repairs and to ensure that the poor punter who is buying a property has no more idea on how sound the property is than before when a cursory glance by a 'professional' who relied on vast amounts of income from the very trades that they were supposed to be overseeing, was sufficient to enable a mortgage to be granted.  And they reckon that sub-prime was a scam. Roll eyes
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that opportunity has now been chucked out of the window giving any cowboy builder the green light to continue building sub-standard properties


So you don't believe that the planning office and building control are effective in maintaining standards?
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Re: Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

I agree with you itsme.  We have an excellent planning and building control in this country.  Anyone buying a house would be foolish to do so without an independent survey anyway.
As I mentioned in a previous post many buyers/sellers/solicitors ignored the HIP anyway so why spend upwards of £500 to have one done.
Remember also that one of the original intentions was that all the information would go onto the government data base and that was altered when the proposals were watered down.
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Re: Another labour idea tossed on the scrapheap.

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that opportunity has now been chucked out of the window giving any cowboy builder the green light to continue building sub-standard properties


So you don't believe that the planning office and building control are effective in maintaining standards?
Nope, too many builders, too few inspectors and neither planning nor building control are involved in general maintenance.
artmo: There's no such thing as an independent survey, most of the surveyors relied completely on the estate agents and local builders for their bread and butter and no-one was prepared to foot the bill for the repairs required for a proper survey so no one ever got a proper survey.  Just because people, many of whom had a vested interest in the survey to start with, claimed to ignore them doesn't alter their usefulness.  The only real stumbling block was the mortgage lender who was only interested in his ability to recoup the mortgage (and, if the sub-prime scandal is anything to go by, not even then because he'd already backed against the mortgage on the hedge market).
If there is going to be an truly independent survey of a property who better to oversee it, and maintain the data on it, than the government, local if not national, but why should all tax payers foot the bill for that survey?  No, far better to charge the house seller.  One could charge the house purchaser but that would add so much to what is already a troublesome burden for the first time buyer.