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Another U.S. School/Uni/College shooting fatality

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Another U.S. School/Uni/College shooting fatality

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34613033
Didn`t Pres Obama say he was going to do something about this kinda thing  ?  Recently  ? ? ? ? 
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Not much he can do though really is there.
Americans WANT their guns. They hear about school shootings, everyone says its tragic but they won't give up their guns because they need to protect themselves against these maniacs that go into schools.
They're too short sighted to see that THEY are the people empowering these maniacs.
I hate to say it but maybe its better that they do learn the hard way. Clearly their schools have minimal security and minimal police protection. Perhaps if the americans spent more money on that instead of wars and weapons and spying on everyone then theyd have more school children alive today.
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Agreed..... As usual in these cases... the "man at the top".... gives out with all the platitudes to "calm" the situation, and keeps his fingers crossed that nobody remembers what he said last time it happened, or that he hasn`t actually been effective in carrying out his words.
Yes, indeed, those stupid yanks haven`t come to terms with themselves, that they are to blame, almost as much as the gun toting killers.... and of course, the "gun clubs" and "gun manufacturers/retailers  have a lot of "clout" in congress, and this is the BIG problem the yanks have in getting rid of guns....
Of course,... If, Pres Obama, or any other president, say... "ok you guys.... from midnite tomorrow, it will be illegal to carry/own a gun, and all guns have to be turned in to the local police station", they would need to have very big skips, or, indeed, railway trains of trucks, ready to throw them all into, for disposal.  THAT would be a huge "logistical" problem in itself...
However,.... the "bad guys" will see that as a " Whoopee" date... when they hide all their guns, and can bring them out as and when needed to contiue their life of crime and terror, and the public will, again, demand that they have "The right to bear arms" restored to them....
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Most types of guns are banned here but there certainly seems a lot of them about in the wrong hands, several fatal shootings in Gunchester recently.
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Didn`t Pres Obama say he was going to do something about this kinda thing  ?  Recently  ? ? ? ? 

What can he do? To even pass legislation he would need the support of the Republicans and he certainly won't get it. With `an election looming next year it seems very unlikely anything will change.
Gun holding Americans will point to their 2nd amendment rights to bear arms.
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he can use a presidential order to enact anything for the safety of the nation, implementing controls such as limiting who can buy guns and what type of guns can be sold to the average joe on the street wouldn't necessarily change the second amendment rights particularly since they already have controls in those areas in many states, the problem will be making a federal law that isn't contravened by state laws, and that any such amendment (like you need a pysch test every 5 years to retain your licence) comes with a cost and who bears that cost when the majority of gun owners don't earn enough to pay standard medical bills ? the answer is that without the much lamented and blocked Obama care nothing can change because the state cannot create a new financial burden on every law abiding American just because it sounds like a good idea /
gun crime in the us isn't actually much higher than anywhere else per capita they just have a lot more news coverage and a lot more people than other parts of the world.
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It should be noted that gun crimes are often committed by those holding illegal guns, obtained on the black market, or "borrowed" from someone's gun cabinet, so banning the sales of guns will not stop such disgusting acts, as has been proved in the UK where intentional shootings are committed by criminals with guns that they obtained by illegal means...
You can change the laws to make it look like you're doing something, but people will still break those laws...
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gun crime in the us isn't actually much higher than anywhere else per capita they just have a lot more news coverage and a lot more people than other parts of the world.

Really Roll eyes
have a look at this info:
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gun crime however isn't just limited to murder, it also includes random drive buys where people survive, like the mother and child in Manchester last week, crimes where people wave guns about with menaces and so on, anyone can pick a specific statistic and say look things are out of control, but you take all gun crime into account and suddenly your looking at similar numbers per capita /
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anyone can pick a specific statistic and say look things are out of control, but you take all gun crime into account and suddenly your looking at similar numbers per capita /


Which is exactly what you are doing with one difference. As usual you make statements without producing any evidence of what you are saying.
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that's because unlike the news papers I am not trying to make a visual representation of crime figures, in the US they don't record crimes in the same way they do here, or for that matter in any other country, the daily mail recenclty reported that the uk has violent crimes per capita of over 2000 whilst the usa has those figures down at around 500 (rounding for ease I know the numbers used were different) but that's from data that's over 5 years out of date, and as I already said they calculate those figures in different ways, some people have tried to dig into the numbers and have worked out that an apples for apples comparison would have them roughly equal although they cant be sure as there not allowed to review all the cases individually to check /
statistical data is pants, murder rates by weapon choice is about the only comparison that can be directly made and even that's not a fair comparison given the differences in the way they calculate those statistics, the usa includes all deaths by firearms the uk only includes those deaths that were prosecuted and a conviction gained for murder, so again direct comparisons are invalid /
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Ownership of a firearm is so entrenched in American mentality that it will never change.
Anything said by someone in high office like "this must change", knows he/she is wasting their breath.
So many of them still live in the old Wild West days.
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@Strat, It was stated recently that there is on average roughly one gun in the US for each person. You are quite right the gun ownership will never be changed. The President does have executive powers that he can use but he knows it is pointless in doing so as it can never be enforced.
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