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All in Vein

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All in Vein

We've heard of many ideas from our banks to prevent fraud. The latest is that they are going to use vein technology to identify us.
Vein technology
It is planned to be rolled out next year.
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Re: All in Vein

The banks having now sucked the economic lifeblood from the country are now turning their attentions to our veins?
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Re: All in Vein

Well why not, fingerprint and eye technology amid global fanfares have been tried as the great panacea saviour of credit card security.
Forgive me for being cynical, but we've heard it all before. Someone, somewhere will make a fortune from its manufacture, equally, someone else will figure how to break into it and make an even bigger fortune.
If the information is going to be transmitted via the internet, it will lose its security as soon as you press the send button. 
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According to BBC Click in December 2009 this technology was already in use in Japan in some banks and about to be used in vending machines. So it must have something to be going for it after 5 years + in use.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8408264.stm
I wonder exactly how it works. After scanning a finger the information will have to be encoded and transmitted. Once the digital signature of ones figure is known presumably it would be possible to send that code from a hacking device. It sounds more convenient than passwords and PINs but if someone gets to know those they can be changed as often as one wishes. There is limited scope for changing to alternative  fingers. If thieves can put devices in ATMs to see PINs and take data from bank cards what is to stop them installing a fake biometric reader at an ATM?
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Re: All in Vein

I'd imagine it's not impossible to scan someone's finger then for veins then 3D print a working replica in plastic with a "blood" flow.
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so long as you don't damage the finger it will work, but damage the finger like the average amateur diy enthusiast with a hammer and your locked out of your cash ....
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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No you're not Wink You can phone the bank and set up the process using another finger Smiley
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Re: All in Vein

On the other hand if you are accosted at the ATM before you take any money out you could quickly bite off the top of your finger!

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Re: All in Vein

Then I guess it would all be in vein Grin
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if they bring that in then the comparison file will be stored on the cards memory chip, or the whole concept of convenient atm placements will be a thing of the past,
biometrics have been tried many times on atm's but the machines just don't have the processing power and necessary network connections to handle the task, unless of course your talking about having atm's located inside the branch only....
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Re: All in Vein

Discussed on Friday's Radio 4 You & Yours programme. Starts 37mins in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04g1dyn
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Quote from: Mav
On the other hand if you are accosted at the ATM before you take any money out you could quickly bite off the top of your finger!

Or they could chop it off & let the rest of you flowing EEK.....
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Something new for the film makers at least.
The eye in the jar to get past security has been done to death.
Now it's the turn of the finger. Smiley
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It won't be long before some clot stops the circulation of this idea.
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Would it likely clot, it it was cauterised, beforehand ?Huh