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Air Crash in Cork

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Air Crash in Cork

An aircraft flying from Belfast to Cork made a crash landing at Cork this morning with 6 fatalities.
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Very tragic.
I always thought that aircraft had some sort of Automatic Pilot that could land them in Foggy conditions.
From the news reports it appears this was the third attempt the pilot made to land the plane.
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Not all aircraft are equipped with automatic landing and not all airports are either.  Petlew may be able to throw some light on this.
I remember many years ago when Gatwick introduced automatic landing facilities and at the time BA was the only airline that could use it as other airlines didn't have the facility.  There was, and possibly still is, one other problem.  Many aircraft could land safely but then couldn't move on the ground because of thick fog so there were restrictions on landing even with the equipment.
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Not all.
Its not so much the aircraft being equipped, rather whether the airport is equipped with the necessary CAT5 autoland guidance equipment. Don't know about Cork. Aircraft may or not be fitted, it becomes immaterial if the airport isn't.
The aircraft in this case apparently had time to make three approaches (the 3rd being the fatal one) with a 20 minute delay between the 2nd and 3rd. There may be a question to ask why, didn't the crew decide to divert to another airport that was not fog bound. It is a safety requirement to take-off with sufficient fuel so to do.
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Thanks Petlew. I knew you'd be able to throw some light on this for us Smiley Smiley
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They said that two passengers walked away uninjured from the crash so one assumes they were in the rear of the fuselage.
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There is one other aspect to this; the departure take-off was made from Belfast, not sure what that is in flying time but, probably not that long. It could be a reasonable bet that the crew were aware that Cork was fog bound before they left.
Whilst I dislike the "pilot error" so often applied before a full report is made. In this case with the information we have thus far it is difficult to come to any other guess at this time.
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a good twenty years ago, had a night flight (Dark but early) from Koln to Stansted on Company plane - Posh Gulf Stream, not usually alowed any where near it, Landed on first go, got out thick fog, then had to drive 15 miles home, dont know how I did it for thick fog
think it was one of these
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Stansted is equipped. And has been for many years.
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PS. whether an aircraft is fitted with an auto-land system is at the behest of the airline or sales outlet at first purchase. many aircraft change hands many times. If you are buying a new aircraft to fly around the middle east in largely dry sunny conditions you probably wouldn't specify auto-land. If that plane is then sold on to a cash-strapped airline working somewhere like the fog prone British Isles the cost of having it retro-fitted would probably be prohibitive. You then keep your fingers tightly crossed.
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Seems Cork airport does not have CAT 3 ILS landing systems available.
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I imagine Cork is a small airport and can't justify the expense of a CAT 3 ILS landing system.
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Its not Heathrow for sure but, not that small either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Airport
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It has been announced that the aircraft involved in the crash underwent a complete maintenance check in Spain last week.
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Martin McGuinness, ex IRA leader, was due to fly on the plane to Cork but changed his travel plans. He is now deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland.