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Afghanistan - more killed.
Afghanistan - more killed.
10-07-2009 10:33 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8145603.stm
I was concerned to hear today the remarks from General Lord Guthrie. He said some lives could have been saved had our troops been properly equipped and more manpower deployed. Why aren't we listening to the experts? Our troops need our full backing whilst doing such a dangerous job.
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10-07-2009 10:37 PM
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10-07-2009 10:48 PM
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I am also concerned that the government is not giving the M.O.D. the funds to equip our armed forces, to do the job properly. The news report on ITV tonight reported that Tony Blair, promised the commanders that he would give them the equipment they needed.... he failed, and did not keep his promise. (I do not know if the present prime minister has also given this promise)
All persons, who join the armed services, be it Royal Navy, Royal Air Force, or the Army, ( and include in that the sub departments) are aware that they may get killed .....
unfortunately, that is what war is about..... killing people....
It is not "heroic", nobody joins up to be a "hero"...
they join up for many and varied reasons. The point is, that in any "civilian" job, there is the "health and safety executive" to "look after the troops" (builders,roadmenders,electricians, crane drivers... etc.... ) in fact anyone in any job, is now subject to the regulations.
If the "management" or "chief executive" does not ensure the H&S regs are followed, and someone gets killed because he wasn`t wearing a safety harness/gas tight suit/etc.or the safety equipment was not in fact available,or substandard, they can be heavily fined, or possibly imprisoned......
Makes you wonder how the government get away with it?
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10-07-2009 10:54 PM
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The majority of people in the forces that I have spoken to actually want to go out and be part of a real campaign - in fact some in the infantry regiments and the Royal Marines moan when they have to stay at home in barracks.
But I agree - government for decades has not provided the equipment that they need either in the right quantity or quality.
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11-07-2009 9:01 AM
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Quote In agriculture there were 26 fatal injuries in 2008/09 with a corresponding rate of 5.7 deaths per 100 000 workers. This compares to a rate of 9.9 when an average of the previous five years is examined.
In construction there were 53 fatal injuries, with a rate of 2.4 deaths per 100 000 workers. An average of the previous five years shows a rate of 3.4. There is an overall downward trend in the rate of fatal injury to workers in this sector.
In manufacturing there were 32 deaths and the rate of fatal injury was 1.1 per 100 000 workers, the same as the average rate for the previous five years.
In the services sector there were 63 fatalities, and the rate of fatal injury in 2008/09 is the same as the average rate for the previous five years (0.3).
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11-07-2009 10:39 AM
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and road deaths - how many professional drivers killed a year.
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11-07-2009 12:01 PM
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11-07-2009 5:47 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8143614.stm
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11-07-2009 6:02 PM
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Witness that British forces consistently beat the USA on exercises - be it RN, RAF or Army.
Witness a subject of another thread - the Vulcan crews often amazed the USAF at how that ancient aircraft could beat the most modern US aircraft. It was the crews training that was the governing factor.
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11-07-2009 6:13 PM
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11-07-2009 11:01 PM
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To give a similar situation, can you remember learning to drive? you went around your "local area" streets and roads that you knew as a pedestrian. You acquired skills necessary to be able to control the vehicle in relatively "peaceful" conditions... Then you had your driving test..... Then you were let loose on the rest of us.... !
BUT..... you are now in the situation of the well trained novice, (army personnel, recently trained, and now deployed)... You will now get "on the job" training, by driving amongst experienced people, and every day, you will be honing your skills, of observation, speed, and distance calculations, traffic sign recognition, rules of the road, and a thousand other details, will all become second nature...
so don`t shout down the training of the Army, Navy or the Air Force.... On the job training is essential, in ALL walks of life, including the men (and women) sent to Afghanistan.
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12-07-2009 7:52 AM
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12-07-2009 9:42 AM
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Quote from: mal0z Witness a subject of another thread - the Vulcan crews often amazed the USAF at how that ancient aircraft could beat the most modern US aircraft. It was the crews training that was the governing factor.
I don't want to steer this thread too far away from topic, that would be too irreverent to our "boys and girls" but,
But quite agree with mal0z. The US Airforce used to hold bombing competitions (called Red Flag exercises) RAF Vulcan's were invited to participate, going on to easily beat the mighty of the USAF.
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13-07-2009 8:35 AM
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14-07-2009 8:23 AM
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A helicopter has crashed in Afghanistan overnight with the loss of 2 civilian workers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8149073.stm
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