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£425 if you lose weight

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£425 if you lose weight

Another stupid idea, this time from the NHS.  We can't afford drugs for cancer victims but will pay you £425 if you lose weight. What idiots come up with these ideas?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?searchPhrase=%A3425+from+NHS+to+diet
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techguy
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Re: £425 if you lose weight

On the one hand , I agree, with the sentiment that if you eat too much and sit around all day, (even taxi drivers are included in this)  then your weight problem could cause an early grave, and also if you need treatment in a hospital, it will cost twice as much to treat you due to being overweight.
HOWEVER.
My missus is overweight.... and has had insults tossed at her because of her size..... NO she does not indulge in time honoured diet of obese persons.... for the last 10 years, she has been extremely careful not to eat ANY fatty foods normally associated with obesity. Her diet consists of yoghurts, and fruit, and veg, and benecol and yakult, and other similar products,she has half fat milk in half a cup of tea per day, no coffee, no chocolate,  she has no sugar, no salt, does not consume any cake, only occasionally will she have bread, and any bread she does eat will only have flora light as a spread.... everything she buys, she is conscious of the fat content, and yet................
She still cannot lose weight, or reduce her size........
Please do not put ALL overweight people into the obese, fat slob, category.
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Re: £425 if you lose weight

In fairness techguy did qualify his comments by saying  'if you are fat due to your not being able to stop stuffing your face......'  I know there are a lot of people who do try and lose weight but there are a large number of people who do not.  It seems wrong to allow them to receive money to lose weight.  What happens if they put it on again, do they give a refund to the NHS?
Also in today's papers there is a story about obese 2 year olds.  Doctors say this is due entirely to parents allowing the children to eat anything they want. This is a time bomb waiting to go off.
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But he did also know what he said was inflammatory..
Anyway I've lost 2.5 stone and I want my money please!
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MuppetGrinder
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I'm going to sue the NHS for being Sizeist!! I weigh just under 10stone, I have no chance of getting the money!! Angry
And just to fule the fire, if it wasn't for the money made from taxing tobacco products, no one would get treatment on the NHS. You want to marter people in the name of the NHS, kill everyone over the age of 60!  Elderly people reffusing to die are the biggest strain on the NHS.
There, that's my controversial statement for the day....I was getting worried I would make one today, phew
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Some surgeons won't operate on you if you smoke or are overweight.  A good enough reason to change your habits I think.
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Shutter if your wife is eating very low fat that can be the problem as if your fat intake is to low you dont have enough energy to burn fat off. It does sound stupid but its true if you exercise you can increase muscle which is heavier than fat but to build muscle you need more food. I good guide is
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/diet/advice/fat_intake.htm
Reducing weight is not just about fat but a balance of calories in and calories burnt burn more than you eat and you loose weight unless there is a medical problem.
The NHS is mad if you go for help to loose weight they will give you a diet and wish you a good day, if you go to stop smoking you will have to weight weeks to see them and then you may get patches.
They will provide no help with weight lose the misses was 22st for over 30 years and time and time again she asked for help and got none the hospital told her to loose weight but offered no help.
After being terrified of dieing after she had a hernia operation when her heart nearly stop as they had given her tripel the maximum dose of sedation she did it herself.
She went down from 22st to 91/2st a size 26 to a size 8 having lost the weight they then offered her any cosmetic operation she wanted ie tummy tuck boob job but they have no other options than surgery for the loose skin. She has seen several doctors and surgeons and they all said we dont know if your skin will go back as we have never seen anyone who has lost 12st so we dont know.
Most of the problems are down to life style as no one works anymore by that I mean hard manual labour like we did in the old days. Most jobs now involve sitting on your bum in front of a pc. Any manual job has machines to do the hard work so people are just getting fat.
Anyone of my generation will remember we were brought up on dripping butties and we didnt get fat. I wonder how you will get this money and what the fiddles will be like the misses she has a sister so she could sign up with a new doctor at 22 st send her sister in a few months down the line and claim the money how will the doctor know its not her? 
MuppetGrinder
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Some surgeons won't operate on you if you smoke or are overweight.  A good enough reason to change your habits I think.

Why? Then you would miss out on a good fun argument about discrimination and human rights Grin  and IMHO there is no reason good enough to change your habbits that doesn't found itself in personal a personal desire to do it.  Changing for anyone or anything else is self demening and bound for failure.  Change is as good as a rest, but only if it's what YOU want. Everyone should be alowed to live their life as they think is best, not how someone else would preffer them to.
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I must admit to feeling a little peeved about smokers getting all this free help to kick the habit.
If they can spend £25 - £50 a week on cigs, then I'm sure they can spend at least half that on quitting. If the NHS charged them half of what they spend that would mean they'll have less to spend on cigs, thus forcing them to cut right back, and BINGO, the job's half done.
As for the overweight, I admit there's a lot of people who are just so because of bad habits. But like me, there's also some that are overweight because of a medical condition.
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The most common cause of weight gain is fairly simple: your energy input (the calories you eat) is greater than your energy output (the calories you burn). In fact, even with a medical condition that may increase the likelihood of becoming overweight (see below), one of these two factors is generally present before you gain weight -- namely, you eat too many high-calorie, high-fat foods or you don't get enough physical activity.
There are, however, certain medical conditions that increase your chances of becoming overweight or obese:
Hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) -- generally causes only mild-to-moderate weight gain
Taking certain medications including steroids, tricyclic antidepressants, drugs for seizures, and drugs for schizophrenia
Tumors of the pancreas
Brain injury from trauma or surgery
Certain birth defects
Hormonal imbalances, such as Cushing syndrome (where your body produces high amounts of steroids) and polycystic ovary syndrome
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Re: £425 if you lose weight

If they are going to offer money to people to lose weight then they should do the same for anorexics who gain weight. After all, both are eating disorders but at different ends of the spectrum.
While they are at it they should offer money to stop people from engaging in high risk activities like hang gliding, parachuting, travelling in a car, walking across the road etc etc.
Oh, and did you know that Cadburys milk chocolate contains milk? I bet you're all reeling back in amazement. This little known fact will now be displayed in large print on every pack so that people who are allergic to milk are fully aware of the fact.
It's become a nanny state and IMO if folk want to smoke, eat, wear their joints out with jogging or whatever else, they should be left in peace to do so.
The whole thing about prolonging life is balmy anyway - as has been previously said, when you get old and need care nobody wants to know anyway. The government take all your hard-earned cash and property, bung you in a care home with foreign staff that can't understand you and you can't understand them, just to sit in a chair all day staring at the walls.  I've seen too much of it in my career and signed a Living Will years ago.
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If they can spend £25 - £50 a week on cigs, then I'm sure they can spend at least half that on quitting. If the NHS charged them half of what they spend that would mean they'll have less to spend on cigs, thus forcing them to cut right back, and BINGO, the job's half done.

Yeah cause lifes that simple...It's not that they would eat less, or drink less or socialise less...oh wait, smokers are instantly antisocial anyway, because they smoke.  But I'll take your idea and raise you.  Lets take all the fat people and dump them on a deasert island, with no money and only the food they can get from the land.  I guarentee the ones who don't just die will lose weight, even the ones who have a medical condition.
techguy
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Ok my comment was targeted squarely at those whose weight gain is self inflicted and absolutely not those who have a medical problem that caises this.
I'd say the award is aimed at the former rather than the latter, I worked with someone last year who went on about how she wanted to lose weight but from the moment she arrived at her desk till the moment she left she stuffed her face with chocolate, crisps and all kinds of stuff and every Wednesday went to our canteen for a full roast, that is the sort of person I have no sympathy with.
MuppetGrinder
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True techguy, what you chould have done was cut off her arms.  she would have lost about a sone and a half instantly, and the long term bennefits are obvious Grin  and effectivly, all you would have been doing was helping her out Grin