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Interleaving good or bad?

Croesis
Newbie
Posts: 8
Registered: 06-08-2007

Interleaving good or bad?

Just seen the option to turn interleaving off, but with no ability to switch it back on. Does anyone have it turned off? If so do you experience many errors with it disabled?
What is the general consensus of it? on or off?
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Community Veteran
Posts: 4,729
Registered: 04-04-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

On; for general web browsing, and best stability (if required)
Off; for Gaming if every mS counts, but it can effect connection stability and reduce speed.
Chilly
sourceit
Grafter
Posts: 127
Registered: 08-06-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

I turned interleaving off and my pings have dropped from 30ms to 12-15ms, but my download speed has dropped by around 50Kb's.  You need to work out what is more important to you before doing this.
Croesis
Newbie
Posts: 8
Registered: 06-08-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

Ok, I'll wait for a bit and see if it's necessary.
What's the reason for not being able to turn it back on by the way?
sourceit
Grafter
Posts: 127
Registered: 08-06-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

From what I're read in these forums, if the system doesn't know the current state of your interleaving, then it doesn't show and you have to request interleaving to be turned off thru a ticket.  Then it may be there to turn back on afterwards.  I've also heard that some of the wholesale providers to PlusNet charge them after the first change of interleaving.  Don't quote me on that.  I'm sure I read that somewhere too. 
Maybe PN support can clarify this?
prichardson
Grafter
Posts: 1,503
Registered: 05-04-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

In general, if it was turned on as part of a fault report or line issue, we will happily turn it back on for you at a later time when you turn it off. It is often the case that Interleaving may be the only way to maintain a stable line.
Once it is established that interleaving was required for this purpose, we would reserve the right to apply a charge for further requests.
Right now, we do not charge. Obviously, if it becomes an issue that managing the orders becomes time consuming, and thus costly, this may change.
We would normally note that further requests may incur a charge.
Loon
Grafter
Posts: 87
Registered: 26-06-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

I had it turned off and my pings also dropped into the mid teens. Can't say I notice any instability my line normally sync's around the 5000 mark with the profile normally on 4500. Saying that for some reason I appear to be stuck on a profile of 2500 for the last week or 2  Huh.
Loon Wink
Will
Grafter
Posts: 44
Registered: 19-08-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

I have it off, never had a problem with it off tbh. Other than a much lower ping!
Croesis
Newbie
Posts: 8
Registered: 06-08-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

Great, thanks for the info guys!
raf
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Posts: 3
Registered: 10-10-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

Heh, ive practically phoned daily and asked for it to be turned off. There was some problem but its fine now - it should go off tomorrow ^^
The only cases where it would be bad for me is if my line dropped every few seconds, but if that happened I would just plug back in my DG834 (theyre great with bad lines), and tweak the snr values.
I once had a line with a serious line fault, and turning interleaving off on that meant that all the reconnects to the exchange gave me a download speed of a few kb/s - which means ping goes back up again ^^ - when someone phoned my house phone, I would find my download speed went from 6 meg to less than 0.1 meg
My pings current about 45 to 60 on most servers I play, with interleaving off it should be 30 to 45 or something along those lines. Hopefully less as im very close to my exchange too.
On a gaming package I really don't care about download speed (I do all my downloads during the off-peak hours when im sleeping anyway), a stable ping was the most important for me :-)
You can tell if interleaving is affecting your line much by going
Start -> Run -> "cmd" -> then in the black box typing in "tracert www.multiplay.co.uk"
And look at the first value above a few ms. With interleaving off you want less than 25 - it varies, some people I know get 8, some get 20.  - And with it on you can probably expect 35+ for your first 'hop'. The difference in these is going to be the difference in your average ping :-)
raf
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Posts: 3
Registered: 10-10-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

Wahahahaha
Now im ecstatic
C:\Documents and Settings\raf>ping www.multiplay.co.uk
Pinging core1.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.22] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 85.236.96.22: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=123
Reply from 85.236.96.22: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=123
Reply from 85.236.96.22: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=123
Reply from 85.236.96.22: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=123
Ping statistics for 85.236.96.22:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 14ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 15ms

Whahahaaaa
James
Grafter
Posts: 21,036
Registered: 04-04-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

Hah! Smiley
Glad to see you saw a considerable improvement.
pcoventry76
Grafter
Posts: 950
Registered: 27-08-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

Well im 2km from charter row, and i get this
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\Documents and Settings\Pete>ping www.multiplay.co.uk
Pinging core1.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.22] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 85.236.96.22: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=122
Reply from 85.236.96.22: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=122
Reply from 85.236.96.22: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=122
Reply from 85.236.96.22: bytes=32 time=21ms TTL=122
Ping statistics for 85.236.96.22:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 21ms, Maximum = 37ms, Average = 26ms
When im playing it is like james said, like im the only punter on the central, i was on a US server yesterday and i can see the difference
Well worth the money, i was going to upgrade to the 40GB tariff but sod it i'll stick on this and just add £20 of extra BW a month so i don't lose out on the performance
and all this ontop of the fact im still in 10 days training - thngs really can, only get better  Smiley
pcoventry76
Grafter
Posts: 950
Registered: 27-08-2007

Re: Interleaving good or bad?

if i ping my website which is based in redbus i get even better results
C:\Documents and Settings\Pete>ping
www.virginmediauser.com
Pinging www.virginmediauser.com [83.223.106.9] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 83.223.106.9: bytes=32 time=21ms TTL=58
Reply from 83.223.106.9: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=58
Reply from 83.223.106.9: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=58
Reply from 83.223.106.9: bytes=32 time=21ms TTL=58
Ping statistics for 83.223.106.9:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 19ms, Maximum = 21ms, Average = 20ms
which is even better and should reflect the pings to PN's new game servers when they get there.
Plusnet Help Team
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Re: Interleaving good or bad?

Not too different from my home connection
ping www.virginmediauser.com
Pinging www.virginmediauser.com [83.223.106.9] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 83.223.106.9: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=58
Reply from 83.223.106.9: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=58
Reply from 83.223.106.9: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=58
Reply from 83.223.106.9: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=58
Ping statistics for 83.223.106.9:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 16ms, Maximum = 19ms, Average = 17ms
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