AS6453.net peering sucks

deathtrap · ‎23-04-2013

Anything re this problem Inow have 19 hops!!! to the ip outside ubisoft's front door and a ping of 110 ms due to the cack handedness of level3 and AS6453.net Why the wall of silence from both ubisoft and plusnet on this, is it being looked into?

deathtrap · ‎23-04-2013

bump over 1 month and nothing done

deathtrap · ‎23-04-2013

Now it's even worse than ever what they going for a 200ms ping to ubisoft.com London>>>>Paris>>>>Frankfurt>>>>Amsterdam>>>>>London ????? And only then transits to New York do Level 3 have a clue how to route traffic properly or are Plusnet not paying for premium quality routing peering

This has been ongoing far too long and isn't getting any better
Will some one please look into this with level 3 or with BT if they are holding the purse strings as there is bound to be other routes affected as well

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|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|               home.gateway.home.gateway -    0 |  501 |  501 |    0 |    0 |    1 |    0 |
|         lo0-central10.ptw-ag03.plus.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   12 |   16 |  167 |   13 |
|      link-a-central10.ptw-gw01.plus.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   12 |   12 |   80 |   12 |
|              xe-4-3-0.ptw-cr01.plus.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   12 |   12 |   40 |   18 |
|                   ae1.pcl-cr01.plus.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   12 |   15 |  105 |   13 |
|                         212.187.201.213 -    0 |  501 |  501 |   12 |   13 |  105 |   13 |
|           ae-3-3.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   28 |   31 |   48 |   28 |
|         ae-61-61.csw1.Paris1.Level3.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   28 |   28 |   42 |   28 |
|         ae-62-62.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   28 |   31 |   71 |   46 |
|     ae-45-45.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   28 |   28 |   47 |   28 |
|     ae-71-71.csw2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   28 |   28 |   45 |   28 |
|     ae-2-70.edge4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net -    1 |  491 |  489 |   28 |   28 |   79 |   28 |
| ix-18-0.tcore1.FR0-Frankfurt.as6453.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |   28 |   28 |   52 |   28 |
|  if-9-2.tcore1.FNM-Frankfurt.as6453.net -    0 |  501 |  501 |  131 |  134 |  198 |  166 |
|  if-6-3.tcore1.AV2-Amsterdam.as6453.net -    0 |  501 |  501 |  130 |  133 |  164 |  132 |
| if-13-2.tcore2.AV2-Amsterdam.as6453.net -    0 |  501 |  501 |  130 |  132 |  178 |  131 |
|     if-7-2.tcore2.L78-London.as6453.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |  131 |  133 |  181 |  131 |
|   if-20-2.tcore2.NYY-NewYork.as6453.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |  132 |  141 |  181 |  132 |
|   if-12-6.tcore1.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net -    0 |  501 |  501 |  130 |  134 |  195 |  136 |
|   if-22-2.tcore2.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |  130 |  131 |  177 |  130 |
|   if-3-2.tcore1.W6C-Montreal.as6453.net -    0 |  500 |  500 |  130 |  133 |  184 |  131 |
|        Destination network unreachable. -  100 |  101 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |   92 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |   92 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |   92 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|        Destination network unreachable. -  100 |   95 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |   92 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |   92 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |   92 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |   92 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
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This time even steam hasn't escaped level3's sad peering /routing transits

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|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|               home.gateway.home.gateway -    0 |  215 |  215 |    0 |    0 |    1 |    0 |
|         lo0-central10.ptw-ag03.plus.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |   12 |   14 |   84 |   12 |
|      link-a-central10.ptw-gw01.plus.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |   12 |   12 |   15 |   13 |
|              xe-4-3-0.ptw-cr01.plus.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |   12 |   13 |   45 |   12 |
|                          217.163.45.249 -    3 |  193 |  188 |   12 |   45 |  250 |   32 |
|        ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  180 |  180 |  189 |  180 |
|       ae-56-221.ebr2.London1.Level3.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  180 |  180 |  192 |  180 |
|         vlan101.ebr1.London1.Level3.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  178 |  181 |  197 |  180 |
|       ae-43-43.ebr1.London15.Level3.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  178 |  178 |  181 |  179 |
|     ae-103-103.ebr2.London15.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  180 |  180 |  191 |  180 |
|     ae-41-41.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  178 |  178 |  181 |  178 |
|    ae-46-46.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  178 |  178 |  186 |  178 |
|    ae-21-21.ebr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  180 |  181 |  192 |  180 |
|     ae-45-45.ebr3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  180 |  181 |  185 |  181 |
|     ae-93-93.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  179 |  179 |  188 |  179 |
|     ae-91-91.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  178 |  179 |  231 |  179 |
|         ae-45-45.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  178 |  179 |  181 |  179 |
|    ae-41-41.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  179 |  181 |  200 |  180 |
|                             4.69.202.54 -    1 |  211 |  210 |  180 |  181 |  193 |  181 |
|         ae-6-6.ebr2.Chicago2.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  178 |  178 |  188 |  178 |
|       ae-1-100.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  178 |  178 |  188 |  179 |
|          ae-3-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  179 |  179 |  201 |  179 |
|         ae-2-2.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net -    0 |  215 |  215 |  179 |  179 |  188 |  179 |
|       ae-2-52.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  177 |  180 |  268 |  177 |
|    CENTURYTEL.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  178 |  180 |  234 |  179 |
|                            205.196.6.33 -    0 |  215 |  215 |  180 |  184 |  259 |  180 |
|                 fw01-core.tuk.valve.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  179 |  180 |  184 |  180 |
|                 208-64-202-68.valve.net -    1 |  211 |  210 |  179 |  181 |  279 |  181 |
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Wow 28 hops and cack handed routing to boot

So it's a case at the moment if the server that you need to connect to isn't in the uk or Europe your pretty much screwed if you want to play a fps multi player game
But there are other routes available if you don't insist on level 3

deathtrap · ‎23-04-2013

Any plans to sort this peering out next year (2014) ? or am i going to be ignored for another month ?

Blim · ‎06-03-2012

I'm sure PN will blame it on your line somehow.

deathtrap · ‎23-04-2013

Can't see how they could, as latency to anything uk or Europe based hasn't increased,My point or the point i thought that i made was to make it known that there are better (lower latency ) peering options available, Hopefully PN will take note and start to use those other options as level3 and AS6453.NET aren't able to provide the same level of service that they once did to all Plusnet customers not just me, Unless it's just me who gets this substandard peering

deathtrap · ‎23-04-2013

Well i guess the wall of silence on this issue speaks volumes, I therefore am left with no choice but to make an official complaint to plusnet regarding this if i could only find how to amongst the hordes of useless information on the plusnet web site , can anyone point me in the right direction ?

pwatson · ‎26-11-2012

http://www.plus.net/support/service/policies/complaints_code_of_practice.shtml
No idea why you think PN are the right people to complain to though... Perhaps you'll be willing to foot the bill for transit re-arrangements for your traffic?

deathtrap · ‎23-04-2013

What ? Do Plusnet not say that they are a Gaming ISP or similar? Also the service (peering i now have is not as good as it once was for many months)
A previous ISP i was with actually did have peering available to it's customers it was able to utilise in the event of issues like this one, As for who/why contact plusnet they are the company who my contract is with , peering companies do not deal directly with end users , for this to even reach the likes of level3 plusnet would be the people to raise this with them, who in turn should raise it with AS6453.net,?
As to route something/anything via Chicago from NewYork to Montreal is a detour and if you tried to get away with that in any other industry you would go out of business fast But level 3 can be as bad , routing traffic from London to upto 3 European cities before returning to London and finally routing to NewYork how can this be right, and if i was plusnet i wouldn't be happy paying for it (assuming plusnet is in no way responsible of course)
I simply want the lower latency that i once had, And if level 3 can't sort it, then as said their are others available, plusnet may have agreements already in place with other providers

orbrey · ‎18-07-2007

Hi, Dave's back on Monday so I'll ask him where we are with this then and make sure things get picked up for you.

deathtrap · ‎23-04-2013

Target Name: lb-lsg-prod.ubisoft.com
         IP: 216.98.48.56
  Date/Time: 07/01/2014 13:55:33 to 07/01/2014 14:44:10
Hop Sent  Err   PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1  1007    0   0.0   0   0   0  home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
 2  1007    0   0.0  12 456  22  lo0-central10.pcl-ag03.plus.net [195.166.128.184]
 3  1007    0   0.0  12  35  12  link-b-central10.pcl-gw02.plus.net [212.159.2.170]
 4  1007    1   0.1  12  93  13  xe-10-2-0.pcl-cr02.plus.net [212.159.0.202]
 5  1007    0   0.0  12  83  14  ae2.pcl-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.6]
 6  1007    0   0.0  12  65  13  ae1.ptw-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.0]
 7  1007   67   6.7  12 387  41  te-3-4.car5.London1.Level3.net [217.163.45.181]
 8  1007    0   0.0  12  28  12  ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.120]
 9   973    3   0.3  12 115  15  ae-225-3601.edge3.London1.Level3.net [4.69.166.146]
10  1007    0   0.0  12  49  13  ix-20-0.tcore1.LDN-London.as6453.net [195.219.83.101]
11  1007    4   0.4 104 162 107  if-17-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130.129]
12  1007    4   0.4 106 177 108  if-1-2.tcore2.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130.122]
13  1007    0   0.0 105 161 108  if-20-2.tcore2.NYY-NewYork.as6453.net [216.6.99.13]
14  1007    2   0.2 105 166 109  if-12-6.tcore1.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net [216.6.99.46]
15  1007    4   0.4 105 159 108  if-22-2.tcore2.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net [64.86.79.1]
16  1007    0   0.0 105 155 109  if-3-2.tcore1.W6C-Montreal.as6453.net [66.198.96.45]
17  1007 1007 100.0   0   0   0   [-]
Destination not reached in 35 hops

And the Steam trace-rt that has also seen a jump in latency recently

Target Name: steampowered.com
         IP: 208.64.202.68
  Date/Time: 07/01/2014 13:47:32 to 07/01/2014 14:48:03
Hop Sent  Err   PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1  1007    0   0.0   0   1   0  home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
 2  1007    0   0.0  12 307  22  lo0-central10.pcl-ag03.plus.net [195.166.128.184]
 3  1007    0   0.0  12  41  12  link-b-central10.pcl-gw02.plus.net [212.159.2.170]
 4  1007    1   0.1  12  90  13  xe-10-2-0.pcl-cr02.plus.net [212.159.0.202]
 5  1007    0   0.0  12 103  15  ae2.pcl-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.6]
 6  1007    0   0.0  12 110  14  xe-11-1-0.edge3.London2.Level3.net [212.187.201.209]
 7  1007    1   0.1 158 185 158  ae-3-3.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.141.86]
 8  1007    1   0.1 156 190 157  ae-61-61.csw1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.78]
 9  1007    0   0.0 156 181 156  ae-62-62.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.93]
10  1007    1   0.1 159 214 159  ae-42-42.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.137.54]
11   977    1   0.1 158 169 159  [4.69.202.54]
12  1007    0   0.0 158 181 159  ae-6-6.ebr2.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.148.146]
13  1007    0   0.0 158 204 159  ae-1-100.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.132.113]
14  1007    0   0.0 159 172 159  ae-3-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.61]
15  1007    0   0.0 158 169 158  ae-2-2.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.69.132.53]
16  1007    1   0.1 158 247 161  ae-2-52.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.69.147.170]
17  1007    2   0.2 158 258 161  CENTURYTEL.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.59.232.74]
18  1007    0   0.0 159 248 161  [205.196.6.33]
19  1007 1001  99.4 160 160 160  fw01-core.tuk.valve.net [208.64.202.21]
20  1006 1006 100.0   0   0   0   [-]

Destination not reached in 35 hops

Any news regarding this ? and how are customers supposed to contact (raise a ticket ) with your networking team ?
http://www.wipmania.com/trace/cache/steampowered.com/?c=97faaabe7931501 http://www.wipmania.com/trace/cache/lb-lsg-prod.ubisoft.com/?c=2c5152a47931529 http://www.wipmania.com/trace/cache/lb-lsg-prod.ubisoft.com/?c=658c1a3a893153a

AndyH · ‎27-10-2012

These sites might be of interest/use to you:
http://lg.level3.net/
http://lg.as6453.net/bin/lg.cgi
http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=6453
http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=3356
I tried pinging the penultimate hop of your traceroute (66.198.96.45) from the two level3 London peers:
London - ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net
100 packets transmitted, 100 packets received, 0% packet loss
rtt min/avg/median/max/mdev/stddev = 92/119.72/92/248/6.097/46.994 ms
Traceroute results from London, England
to 216.98.48.56(lb-lsg-prod.ubisoft.com)
1 ae-51-51.csw1.London1.Level3.net (4.69.139.88) 0 msec
ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net (4.69.139.120) 0 msec
ae-51-51.csw1.London1.Level3.net (4.69.139.88) 0 msec
2 ae-227-3603.edge3.London1.Level3.net (4.69.166.154) 216 msec
ae-116-3502.edge3.London1.Level3.net (4.69.166.134) 0 msec
ae-225-3601.edge3.London1.Level3.net (4.69.166.146) 0 msec
3 ix-20-0.tcore1.LDN-London.as6453.net (195.219.83.101) [AS6453 {GLOBEINTERNET}] 0 msec 4 msec 204 msec
4 if-17-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net (80.231.130.129) [AS6453 {GLOBEINTERNET}] 96 msec 92 msec 96 msec
5 if-1-2.tcore2.L78-London.as6453.net (80.231.130.122) [AS6453 {GLOBEINTERNET}] 92 msec
if-2-2.tcore2.L78-London.as6453.net (80.231.131.1) [AS6453 {GLOBEINTERNET}] 92 msec 112 msec
6 if-20-2.tcore2.NYY-NewYork.as6453.net (216.6.99.13) [AS6453 {GLOBEINTERNET}] 92 msec 92 msec 96 msec
7 if-12-6.tcore1.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net (216.6.99.46) [AS6453 {GLOBEINTERNET}] 132 msec 92 msec 96 msec
8 if-22-2.tcore2.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net (64.86.79.1) [AS6453 {GLOBEINTERNET}] 100 msec 96 msec 92 msec
9 if-3-2.tcore1.W6C-Montreal.as6453.net (66.198.96.45) [AS6453 {GLOBEINTERNET}] 92 msec 96 msec 96 msec
10 *
66.198.96.18 [AS6453 {GLOBEINTERNET}] !filtered *
London(2) - ae-15-15.edge3.London2.Level3.net
---- statistics ----
100 packets transmitted, 100 packets received, 0% packet loss
rtt min/avg/median/max/mdev/stddev = 112/119.6/116/176/2.528/10.19 ms
1 ae-15-15.edge3.London2.Level3.net (4.69.200.85) 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec
2 ae-3-3.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.141.86) 8 msec 20 msec 8 msec
3 ae-71-71.csw2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.161.82) 8 msec
ae-61-61.csw1.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.161.78) 8 msec 4 msec
4 4.69.168.72 8 msec
4.69.168.8 8 msec 8 msec
5 141.136.103.181 [AS3257 {TINET-BACKBONE}] 8 msec 32 msec 8 msec
6 xe-4-2-0.mtl10.ip4.tinet.net (141.136.107.125) [AS3257 {TINET-BACKBONE}] 92 msec
xe-1-3-0.mtl10.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.184.74) [AS3257 {TINET-BACKBONE}] 152 msec
xe-4-2-0.mtl10.ip4.tinet.net (141.136.107.125) [AS3257 {TINET-BACKBONE}] 88 msec
7 * * *
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 ubisoft-gw.ip4.tinet.net (173.241.128.42) [AS3257 {TINET-BACKBONE}] !filtered * *

It would seem that ae-227-3603.edge3.London1.Level3.net is the problem?

deathtrap · ‎23-04-2013

Don't know about that being the underlying issue but if i tracert the 2nd AS6453.net hop ( if-17-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net ) it for some reason routes to Paris then back to London, as does the 1st AS6453.net hop


Target Name: if-17-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net
         IP: 80.231.130.129
  Date/Time: 09/01/2014 00:46:12 to 09/01/2014 00:53:10
Hop Sent Err  PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1   117   0 .0 0     0     0    0  home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
 2   117   0  0.0  12 187  24  lo0-central10.pcl-ag03.plus.net [195.166.128.184]
 3   117   0  0.0  12 103  13  link-a-central10.pcl-gw01.plus.net [212.159.2.168]
 4   117   0  0.0  12  45  15  xe-10-2-0.pcl-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.200]
 5   117   0  0.0  12  63  14  xe-11-2-0.edge3.London2.Level3.net [212.187.201.213]
 6   117   2  1.7  19  36  19  ae-3-3.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.141.86]
 7   117   2  1.7  19  21  19  ae-61-61.csw1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.78]
 8   117   1  0.9  19  53  19  [4.69.168.8]
 9   117   0  0.0  19  27  19  ix-20-0.tcore1.PVU-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.153.65]
10   117   0  0.0  19  95  23  if-2-2.tcore1.PYE-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.154.18]
11   117   1  0.9  20  57  21  if-17-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130.129]

Target Name: ix-20-0.tcore1.LDN-London.as6453.net
         IP: 195.219.83.101
  Date/Time: 09/01/2014 00:59:23
 1    0 ms    0 ms    0 ms    0 ms   *        0 ms  home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
 2   14 ms   13 ms   13 ms   14 ms   13 ms   12 ms  lo0-central10.pcl-ag03.plus.net [195.166.128.184]
 3   14 ms   13 ms   12 ms   12 ms   12 ms   12 ms  link-a-central10.pcl-gw01.plus.net [212.159.2.168]
 4   14 ms   32 ms   12 ms   12 ms   28 ms   12 ms  xe-10-2-0.pcl-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.200]
 5   12 ms   12 ms   12 ms   27 ms   12 ms   12 ms  xe-11-2-0.edge3.London2.Level3.net [212.187.201.213]
 6   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms  ae-3-3.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.141.86]
 7   19 ms   20 ms   19 ms   29 ms   19 ms   19 ms  ae-61-61.csw1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.78]
 8   20 ms   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms  [4.69.168.8]
 9   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms   19 ms  ix-20-0.tcore1.PVU-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.153.65]
10   20 ms   23 ms   20 ms   20 ms   20 ms   20 ms  if-2-2.tcore1.PYE-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.154.18]
11   20 ms   22 ms   20 ms   21 ms   20 ms   20 ms  if-3-6.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130.85]
12   20 ms   20 ms   20 ms   20 ms   20 ms   21 ms  ix-20-0.tcore1.LDN-London.as6453.net [195.219.83.101]

It would seem that basic Geography isn't one of level 3 's strong points they may have good DNS but as a peering company they are useless

AndyH · ‎27-10-2012

I don't think its Level3's fault that happens...I think it's AS6453.net's fault

Kelly · ‎04-04-2007

Quote from: deathtrap

Don't know about that being the underlying issue but if i tracert the 2nd AS6453.net hop ( if-17-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net ) it for some reason routes to Paris then back to London, as does the 1st AS6453.net hop


Target Name: if-17-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net
         IP: 80.231.130.129
  Date/Time: 09/01/2014 00:46:12 to 09/01/2014 00:53:10
Hop Sent Err  PL% Min Max Avg  Host Name / [IP]
 1   117   0 .0 0     0     0    0  home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
 2   117   0  0.0  12 187  24  lo0-central10.pcl-ag03.plus.net [195.166.128.184]
 3   117   0  0.0  12 103  13  link-a-central10.pcl-gw01.plus.net [212.159.2.168]
 4   117   0  0.0  12  45  15  xe-10-2-0.pcl-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.200]
 5   117   0  0.0  12  63  14  xe-11-2-0.edge3.London2.Level3.net [212.187.201.213]
 6   117   2  1.7  19  36  19  ae-3-3.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.141.86]
 7   117   2  1.7  19  21  19  ae-61-61.csw1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.78]
 8   117   1  0.9  19  53  19  [4.69.168.8]
 9   117   0  0.0  19  27  19  ix-20-0.tcore1.PVU-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.153.65]
10   117   0  0.0  19  95  23  if-2-2.tcore1.PYE-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.154.18]
11   117   1  0.9  20  57  21  if-17-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130.129]

It would seem that basic Geography isn't one of level 3 's strong points they may have good DNS but as a peering company they are useless

The geography is irrelevant as long as the latency is good and you aren't seeing packet loss.
The packet loss you are seeing on the above trace, is it consistent? (I've lost track of this thread due to xmas etc). Is everyone else seeing it?

Kelly Dorset
Ex-Broadband Service Manager

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