Full Fibre physical installation.

[#1]

Thanks Brian.

Funnily enough, I did think about using an extension lead anyway until fitted so I could fit the sockets how and where best.

If I install them sooner - I may end up with an unfavourable situation!

Thanks again.

Will update on how it goes.

[#2]

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@MJN wrote

Here's a link to an example (albeit a messy one hence the discussion):

https://www.reddit.com/r/openreach/comments/1ag96pf/had_fibre_installed_yesterday_and_im_really/

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Hm... That doesn't look too professional a job to me.

Later sorted out following a complaint: IMG-1610.jpg (480×640) (ibb.co)

[#3]

Installed today and done within a couple of hours.

Hopefully this info is useful for others.

I did speak to Plusnet when ordering and the person assisting stated if I did not agree with how the fibre would need to be run - I could cancel the order and decline installation as the 14 days cooling-off period starts from the installation date, not the start of contract date. So this was very helpful!

I went for the 145/30 (which I am more familiar with as 160/30 in other company orders I've placed) as it was offered at the same price as 74/20 (80/20). I presume the speeds are advertised as lower so that they don't get earache when customers don't get the speed they expect.

I get 151/28 currently.

Openreach engineer was like all the others I've met and had involvement with over the years - decent chap and very helpful.

I was obviously more up to speed than I otherwise would have been thanks to this thread.

Turns out the three covers outside the first house of "our three" houses are just covering a hole which is a passthrough for the fibre to service most, if not all, of the road.

The actual point my fibre needed to go was 20m in the opposite direction where said passthrough cabling (under the three covers) ends up; and which is where fibre can be connected.

Because my property was not showing as needing a survey, as well as the fact a public road would need to be dug up otherwise which would cost a fortune, I'd already worked out they were unlikely to use anything other than the original ducting (subject to it being OK of course) so I was fairly confident (but still hoping!).

So the fibre was run using the pull-through cable they have on board.

The engineer did mention it was unusual in his experience for properties to have ducting.

He did say sometimes if there is a newer property amongst older ones, quite often ducting for telecoms is overlooked so they end up having to run it from the closest telegraph pole instead.

So the fact this was all built at the same time meant it was definitely an easier one to do.

The ONT was mounted next to the master socket although there was scope to mount it anywhere fairly close - but that was fine with me.

Contrary to what I've read, the engineer did not remove the copper.

So I wonder if those who are removing copper are making some dough on the side! 😆

Now I've seen the ONT adapter (specifically which side of the plug the power cable comes out) and how long the power cable is, I can now fit sockets within reach of that.

My router supports PPPoE through an RJ45 so I was able to reconfigure that - quite handy really as the router Plusnet are sending has not turned up yet!

Thanks everyone for your help. Was a bit "first world problems" but worked out well in the end.

[#4]

@JayEeeCee 

Good to hear things went well. Thanks for letting us know.

Where did the CSP end up?

With Full fibre you should get near full speed on an ethernet connection so there's no drop off due to cable condition or distance from the cabinet.

If the PN router has been dispatched then you should have a tracking number.

Brian

[#5]

CSP was mounted next to the existing master socket which remains.

This house has CAT5E from new but I upgraded the old IDC box, whatever it was called, to an RJ45 patch panel so I could have the router in our lounge which makes most sense here.

Yes exactly although our copper was only 23 years old and I was getting 60Mbps/20Mbps previously on speed tests - so clearly no issue with it.

I've seen the location of the green box and that's also not far away.

Hmm - no tracking number for the router so I wonder if one has actually been ordered. I will ask PN about that, thanks!

[#6]

@JayEeeCee Ignore the green box - that is not involved at all in a Full Fibre connection.

[#7]

Ahh - that's news to me!

I presumed initially they ran fibre to the green boxes, and that created FTTC-based products.

And more recently, copper runs to each property from the green boxes are being replaced creating FTTP possibilities.

Interesting!

If this is not the case, are the green boxes going to become redundant?

I thought he didn't need to go to the green box because they'd already run fibre to it and from that to various points - like the one my fibre was connected to.

[#8]

You are partially correct. For an FTTC connection, the fibre run to the cab, wherein it is jumpered to the 'last mile' of copper to your property. For an FTTP connection, the fibre runs directly from the (usually underground) chambers direct to you - slightly simplified to save typing.

[#9]

@JayEeeCee 

Full Fibre ignores any FTTC cabinet and runs all the way to a Main Exchange.

If you use the Address version of the Checker, enter your post code only and select your property from the drop down list it'll tell you which Exchange your FTTP connection runs to. This may be different from what  was your original Exchange.

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

There are currently over 5,000 Exchanges - in twenty odd years time this may be down to around 1,000. So technically the Green FTTC cabinets could, in the main, become redundant. However as they are fed by fibre optic cable and don't rely on the copper from the Exchange some will survive.

Could you post a picture of your CSP / ONT install for future reference when we try and help others? Thanks.

Brian

[#10]

The link still features the same exchange as before - although it still states the same cabinet as before so not sure if it is up to date yet?

My CSP and ONT:

The CSP cover is struggling a bit because of the ingress angle of the fibre because of the trunking!

[#11]

@JayEeeCee The exchange/cabinet details will remain the same - if the copper line has not been removed (mine has, on request), then in theory, you could request a 'downgrade' to SoGEA FTTC, if the exchange is not Full Fibre Priority, although why anyone would want to do that is beyond me.

[#12]

@JayEeeCee 

it's been a while but I seem to recall one Checker giving my "copper" options at my old Exchange but if I used another then I got Full Fibre only at a different Exchange. Specifically, did you use the Address version, enter your post code only and select the address from the drop down list? If you know your UPRN you could try that. Look at the following if you're interested.

https://www.geoplace.co.uk/addresses-streets/location-data/the-uprn

As to the install itself that does not look at all. I would consider the incoming fibre cable to by vunlerable. You can complain about the install on the OR website and you might get someone out to look a it.

Brian

[#13]

Using the official BT Broadband Availability Checker, address version, as my phone line hasn't been a BT one for >4 years - which all suppliers using the Openreach network do - for my address, I can, in theory still get FTTC  via cab9. Unfortunately, I can't, as the copper line from the chamber to my property no longer exists. 

[#14]

@bmc  It might be a good idea to check your post before you send, missing words and typos do not help. 🙄

[#15]

@RealAleMadrid 

I do check my posts - primarily because age is catching up with the grey matter. I suspect I edit every entry before posting and around 50% afterwards. Generally I do pick up on missing words.

Brian