Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
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Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
04-09-2015 10:43 PM
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I'm hoping to try and keep the router as I've been advised that plusnet are unable to supply a Gigabit Router and the router has a EWAN port (http://uk.tp-link.com/products/details/cat-15_TD-W8970.html) which posts elsewhere on these forums have suggested would still work for Fibre if I use the EWAN port. I don't really want to have to surface mount the TWO 10 meter+ CAT5E cables around the inside of the house that would be needed to support my computer and the NAS I have if I were forced to move the router to next to the BT master socket. [Background: the computer as several Terabytes of photo storage and backup over 100Mb wired Ethernet takes around 5days which is why I moved to gigabit Ethernet where it takes a couple of hours - suggestions that I fit wireless card to the computer and the NAS are not welcome]
Thanks in advance.
Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
04-09-2015 10:45 PM
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I appreciate that it would need a new cable but that may be the simpler way of doing it
Of course you could try using your existing cable to locate the modem next to your router after the BT engineer has gone and see what the effect is. To an extent the effect will depend on the quality of cable you used
Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
04-09-2015 11:27 PM
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You will be provided with a BT VDSL modem which you connect to the router by Ethernet. If the cable you are using at the moment is good quality I wonder if you could get away with changing the ends to make it an Ethernet cable which would save removing and replacing it?
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Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
04-09-2015 11:44 PM
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Quote from: spoon To add a little to Jim's suggestion (which is your best bet):
You will be provided with a BT VDSL modem which you connect to the router by Ethernet. If the cable you are using at the moment is good quality I wonder if you could get away with changing the ends to make it an Ethernet cable which would save removing and replacing it?
Won't fly, Cat5e is 4 pair. UTP is... One pair. And unshielded. 100-baseTX allowed 2 pair but is rubbish. Gigabit requires all four conductor pairs.
http://www.howtogeek.com/70494/what-kind-of-ethernet-cat-5e6a-cable-should-i-use/
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2024722/cat5-cat5e-cat6-pair-transmit-recieve.html
Site the ECI (Openreach) modem by the master socket - less chance of RF / EM pickup on the cable from faceplate to modem. Keep the modem phone cable and power cables as far apart as possible and avoid running them in parallel - if they have to cross, make sure they intersect at right angles. Then just run a half decent STP or S/UTP Cat5e cable to your router location and enjoy the speeds
Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
04-09-2015 11:47 PM
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@spoonwhittler it is only a 4 core cable surely I'll need all 8 cores to make it an ethernet cable ? also the VDSL modem that plus net provide sucks (only 100Mb) which is my I want to keep my router and connect via ethernet.
Now wondering if I can use the cables in place to get them to move the master socket into the computer room with just a joint at current master socket and then bring the phone line back to the current master socket for onward distribution; there are TWO parallel phone cables going form master socket to computer room as first owner had two lines there; I've just uses one for phone and one for data having filtered things at master socket.
Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
04-09-2015 11:53 PM
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Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
04-09-2015 11:56 PM
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Anyone know if the "fibre" master box is much different form a properly ADSL filtered faceplate NTE5 master box ? do they change that or do they just add the new openreach router to the unfiltered side ? - which might make Jim's idea more viable.
Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
05-09-2015 1:03 AM
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As the other posters correctly point out, depending on the quality of the cable (and in particular, depending on whether it is twisted pair or flat), there could be losses as the VDSL2 signal uses frequencies up to 17 MHz.
But as with all things, I would give it a go first using existing cabling. You can try a test where you connect the modem directly to the master socket and see what difference it makes as compared to using the extension cable. That will guide you as to whether to use the existing cable.
I wouldn't go down the route of moving the master socket as you want the filter as close to the point where the line enters your property. The other issue is that if the master socket is moved using the existing cabling (and it is flat cable), you gain nothing other than you have moved the filter further along the line.
Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
05-09-2015 9:33 AM
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Quote from: Chris Won't fly, Cat5e is 4 pair. UTP is... One pair. And unshielded. 100-baseTX allowed 2 pair but is rubbish. Gigabit requires all four conductor pairs.
1. Modem to router doesn't need to be gigabit!
2. Telephone extension cable comes in more varieties than Heinz - the cable I have stashed away in my garage is 4 pair. Also it's not unknown for people to use cat 5 cable for telephone extensions.
It was just a possibility I was suggesting.
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Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
05-09-2015 9:41 AM
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Quote from: n03lm Anyone know if the "fibre" master box is much different form a properly ADSL filtered faceplate NTE5 master box ? do they change that or do they just add the new openreach router to the unfiltered side ? - which might make Jim's idea more viable.
The BT engineer will install the latest filtered NTE5 faceplate and provide you with a VDSL modem.
You could make your existing cable a data only cable by connecting it to the data terminals (usually labelled A+B) on the back of the filtered faceplate. You'd have to replace the socket at the other end to a data type socket. That would mean you'd lose the telephone extension at the other end.
If you order the data extension kit when you order the FTTC, the engineer should do all that for you and gratefully use your cable as it will save him the bother of running the cable himself!
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Re: Moving to Fibre: filtering at the master socket and locating the router
05-09-2015 8:28 PM
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Thanks all for help.
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05-09-2015 9:33 PM
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