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JasonMassey
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Re: G.INP

G.INP has just been removed on the UPSTREAM.
Just to summarize.
First G.INP was downstream only
Then it was downstream and upstream
Then it was downstream only
Then it was downstream and upstream
Now is it downstream only.
All above is despite having a Draytek 2860n with full support for G.INP down and up, and having perfect stable connection when working.
sjrinfroyle
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Re: G.INP

A similar thing has happened to me.
My cabinet was first enabled at the beginning of June so it didn't ever have G.INP MK1.
A week or so ago I had G.INP applied on the downstream and upstream. A few days ago it was entirely removed. A couple of days ago it was reapplied, but to the downstream only.
I'm now having errors on the upstream again (granted they are small) whereas with G.INP there were none. There's something about me that prefers less errors and more G.INP which doesn't really make sense as the erroring is just being converted to something else but either way it is annoying.
I still don't understand why G.INP was removed in the first place  Undecided
JasonMassey
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Re: G.INP

Quote from: JasonMassey
G.INP has just been removed on the UPSTREAM.
Just to summarize.
First G.INP was downstream only
Then it was downstream and upstream
Then it was downstream only
Then it was downstream and upstream
Now is it downstream only.
All above is despite having a Draytek 2860n with full support for G.INP down and up, and having perfect stable connection when working.

Just to add, yesterday G.INP on upstream was re-enabled.
mlmclaren
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Re: G.INP

Still not enabled on mine but then I'm on a fast path upstream so the DLM might not see any reason for it to be re-enabled!  Smiley
Bald_Eagle1
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Re: G.INP

Quote from: JasonMassey
Just to add, yesterday G.INP on upstream was re-enabled.

That's interesting.
It has been recently noticed that some Huawei DSLAMS are having their chipset versions updated.
Mine was updated when the connection resynced at 00:49, 11th August from:-
ChipSet Vendor Id: BDCM:0xa44f
ChipSet VersionNumber: 0xa44f
To:-
ChipSet Vendor Id: BDCM:0xa459
ChipSet VersionNumber: 0xa459

Are you able to confirm whether or not your DSLAM's chipset has been recently updated?
JasonMassey
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Re: G.INP

Bald_Eagle,
My Vigor stats report this
CO ITU Version 0 - b5004244
CO ITU Version 1 - 434da459
DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR BDCM
Bald_Eagle1
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Re: G.INP

Quote from: JasonMassey

CO ITU Version 0 - b5004244
CO ITU Version 1 - 434da459
DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR BDCM

I'm not familiar with the output from a Vigor, so I wonder if the part I have highlighted in red above means the same thing.
Do you know if that has changed quite recently?
JasonMassey
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Re: G.INP

Bald Eagle,
I've not been monitoring this data, so no idea if it's changed.  Do agree however those numbers appear to be the same.
Bald_Eagle1
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Re: G.INP

O.K. Thanks JM.
My interest is that I had G.INP removed from upstream some time ago (as happened to most of us).
My 1100m or so connection generally appeared to suit G.INP on both DS & US & I keep hoping it will be restored for US at some stage.

The recent chipset changes could however be related to preparation for Vectoring being enabled?
That could just be my vain hope though as my connection has been hit quite gradually, but severely by crosstalk over the last couple of years or so.
As per usual, BT's secrecy gives us no indication as to what these recent updates are intended to do for us  Roll_eyes
30FTTC06
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Re: G.INP

I thought something odd was going on for the last few days so I put my HG612 back on line...
I noticed that I've lost a bit of speed somewhere, I just thought it was just down to the lightening we had last week.
Normal downstream 43999
[tt]
xdslcmd info --pbParams
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 6980 Kbps, Downstream rate = 46572 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 6904 Kbps, Downstream rate = 39999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961)
  VDSL Port Details   Upstream   Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate:     6980 kbps     46572 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:       1.8 dBm     11.2 dBm
====================================================================================
  VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3
  Line Attenuation(dB): 7.3 44.5 N/A N/A N/A 19.4 55.2 84.0
Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.3 44.0 N/A N/A N/A 21.6 54.9 N/A
        SNR Margin(dB): 6.0 6.1 N/A N/A N/A 9.3 9.3 N/A
        TX Power(dBm): -9.1 1.4 N/A N/A N/A 8.7 7.8 N/A
#
Downstream Upstream
General
rtx_tx          2254347        124           
rtx_c          1608            116           
rtx_uc          0              0             
LEFTRS          0              2             
minEFTR        40005          6901           
errFreeBits    74968258        12904184       
Bearer 0
RxQueue        136            12             
TxQueue        34              6             
G.INP Framing  18              18             
G.INP Lookback  31              6             
RRC Bits        24              24             
Interleave depth 4              4             
INP            52.00          42.00         
INPRein        1.00            0.00           
Delay          0              0             
Bearer 1
Interleave depth 1              1             
INP            2.50            4.00           
INPRein        2.50            4.00           
Delay          0              0   
Stats recorded 17 Aug 2015 21:33:22
DSLAM/MSAN type:        BDCM:0xa459 / v0xa459
Modem/router firmware:  AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j
DSL mode:              VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                Showtime
Uptime:                1 day 10 hours 8 min 53 sec
Resyncs:                0 (since 16 Aug 2015 22:07:20)

Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):  24.6 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 39999 6904
SNR margin (dB):        9.3 6.0
Power (dBm):            11.2 1.8
Interleave depth:      4 4
INP:                    52.00 42.00
G.INP:                  Enabled
RSCorr/RS (%):          0.0002 0.6049
RSUnCorr/RS (%):        0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour:                0 0
xdslcmd info --pbParams
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 6984 Kbps, Downstream rate = 46572 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 6904 Kbps, Downstream rate = 39999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961)
  VDSL Port Details   Upstream   Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate:     6984 kbps     46572 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:       1.8 dBm     11.2 dBm
====================================================================================
  VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3
  Line Attenuation(dB): 7.3 44.5 N/A N/A N/A 19.4 55.2 84.0
Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.3 44.0 N/A N/A N/A 21.6 54.9 N/A
        SNR Margin(dB): 6.1 6.0 N/A N/A N/A 9.3 9.3 N/A
        TX Power(dBm): -9.1 1.4 N/A N/A N/A 8.7 7.8 N/A
#
         
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Jaggies
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Re: G.INP

Quote from: 11110_110
[tt]Max: Upstream rate = 6980 Kbps, Downstream rate = 46572 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 6904 Kbps, Downstream rate = 39999 Kbps[/tt]

That looks suspiciously like you've been put on a 40Mb service...
30FTTC06
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Re: G.INP

On 40MB package then.
[tt]
Stats recorded 24 Mar 2015 20:18:35
DSLAM/MSAN type:          BDCM:0xa41b / v0xa41b
Modem/router firmware:    AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j
DSL mode:                  VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                    Showtime
Uptime:                    4 hours 7 min 41 sec
Resyncs:                  0 (since 24 Mar 2015 17:18:33)
       
            Downstream  Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):    24.3      0.0
Signal attenuation (dB):  Not monitored     
Connection speed (kbps):  43999      6847
SNR margin (dB):          7.2      6.1
Power (dBm):              11.2      1.0
Interleave depth:          16      4
INP:                      47.00      43.00
G.INP:                    Enabled     
RSCorr/RS (%):            0.0021      1.1010
RSUnCorr/RS (%):          0.0000      0.0000
ES/hour:                  0      0[/tt]
30FTTC06
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Re: G.INP

And now..........
[tt]
Stats recorded 18 Aug 2015 14:52:52
DSLAM/MSAN type:        BDCM:0xa459 / v0xa459
Modem/router firmware:  AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j
DSL mode:              VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                Showtime
Uptime:                9 hours 20 min 37 sec
Resyncs:                1 (since 16 Aug 2015 22:07:20)

Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):  24.6 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 43998 6813
SNR margin (dB):        7.1 6.1
Power (dBm):            11.2 1.8
Interleave depth:      4 4
INP:                    52.00 43.00
G.INP:                  Enabled
RSCorr/RS (%):          0.0015 0.0074
RSUnCorr/RS (%):        0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour:                0 0[/tt]
Huh
NoZephy
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Re: G.INP

Okay so I'm 100% sure my DSLAM was on version v0xa485 last month and today i just checked why I got a disconnect after 19 days solid sync to find a completely different version being reported.

DSLAM/MSAN type:         BDCM:0xa48c / v0xa48c
Modem/router firmware:   AnnexA version - A2pv6F039g1.d24m
sp1ke
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Re: G.INP

Fritzbox 3390 resynced at the weekend and I now have G.INP on my downstream.
Hasn't made much difference for me as I had the full 80/20 sync anyway and very few errors, only slight change is my SNR appears to move a little more now fluctuating between 9-10db.