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Fibre v Fibre Extra
29-11-2014 9:55 PM
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app on my iPad , which isn't bad.
Fibre Unlimited Extra is advertised as having speeds up to 76Mbps. If I decided to upgrade to Fibre Extra could I achieve download speeds of typically double my
present speed (say near 60Mbps) with the same line ?
If so, how does Plusnet achieve this ?
I've read that the download speed is determined by the Openreach network and with FTTC speed will reduce the further you are away from the cabinet.
And that the realisable speed will be the same for all ISPs that use the same network.
If that is true then I couldn't achieve any speed improvement by upgrading to Fiber Extra. Or am I missing something ?
Re: Fibre v Fibre Extra
29-11-2014 10:04 PM
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It doesn't mean that you will get an increase in speed unless you are hitting the 40Mbps sync speed limit
Have you tried running the BT speedtest then further diagnostics to get the IP profile
Have you checked what the expected speeds are here https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/adsl.htm
Re: Fibre v Fibre Extra
29-11-2014 11:01 PM
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Not sure what all of the availability checker results mean .
Am I hitting the 40Mbps sync speed limit ?
What are FTTC ranges A and B ?
Would there be any speed advantage in upgrading to Fibre Extra ?
Thanks
BT Wholesale Broadband Performance Test
Broadband Speed Test Results
Download Speed (Mbps): 30.96
Upload Speed (Mbps): 8.44
Ping Latency(ms): 26.25
BT BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER
Telephone Number xxxxxxxxx on Exchange ASCOT is served by Cabinet 12
Featured Products
Downstream Line Rate(Mbps) Upstream Line Rate(Mbps) Downstream Range(Mbps) Availability Date
High Low High Low
FTTC Range A (Clean) 47.8 34.8 10.6 7 -- Available
FTTC Range B (Impacted) 40 23 10.6 5.7 -- Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 4 -- 3 to 5 Available
ADSL Max Up to 0.5 -- 0.25 to 1.5 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 1 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 1 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
FTTP on Demand 330 30 -- Available
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available
Copper Multicast -- -- -- Available
For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage.
For FTTC Ranges A and B, the term "Clean" relates to a line which is free from any wiring issues (e.g. Bridge Taps) and/or Copper line conditions, and the term "Impacted" relates to a line which may have wiring issues (e.g. Bridge Taps) and/or Copper line conditions.
Throughput/download speeds will be less than line rates and can be affected by a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.
The Stop Sale date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2012; the Formal Retirement date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2014. The Stop Sale date for IPstream is from 30-Nov-2012; the Formal Retirement date for IPstream is from 30-Jun-2014.
If the End User wishes to migrate from their current Broadband supplier they will need to contact them in the first instance to obtain a MAC (Migrations Authorisation) Code, and then contact their new Broadband supplier to arrange for the service to be migrated.
Note: If you decide to place an order for a WBC fibre product, an appointment may be required for an engineer to visit the end user's premises to supply the service.
Please note that postcode and address check results are indicative only. Most accurate results can be obtained from a telephone number check.
Thank you for your interest.
Re: Fibre v Fibre Extra
30-11-2014 12:15 AM
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Up to 38 Mb/s simply means that your speed will be capped at 38. Up to 76 it means that it will be capped at 76.
This only happens if your connection is actually fast enough to reach those speeds. You got 30 and that's where it is going to stay. If you get the 76 product you're still going to be getting the same speed but pay more, for nothing.
What the other poster is trying to find out if perhaps there is a fault with your connection and whether it could go faster or if speed profile is too low and you could get more but most likely there is nothing you can do.
Re: Fibre v Fibre Extra
30-11-2014 11:03 AM
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Unfortunately, a slow speed test result only shows us that speeds are below expectations, but it does nothing to help diagnose why.
The IP profile will let us know what speed you are syncing at (the sync speed is around 3% higher than the profile), and is the first step in that diagnosis.
The second step is from comparing that sync speed with the expected results published by the BT checker - and it would be useful to make historical comparisons too.
The third step comes from checking that Plusnet are working to the same value of the "IP profile" that BT are using. Plusnet's setting can be found here as the "Current Line Speed".
To answer your questions:
Quote from: bazzer9 I've read that the download speed is determined by the Openreach network and with FTTC speed will reduce the further you are away from the cabinet.
And that the realisable speed will be the same for all ISPs that use the same network.
If that is true then I couldn't achieve any speed improvement by upgrading to Fiber Extra. Or am I missing something ?
Correct. The distance from the cabinet, and the quality of the line, places a real, hard, cap on the speed that the line will go at.
Buying an "up to 38" package from an ISP puts a virtual 40Mbps cap on the line too ... but you can never get speeds higher than the hard cap associated with the distance/quality.
To benefit from an "up to 80" package from any ISP, your distance/quality limitation has to be above 40Mbps.
Quote from: bazzer9 Am I hitting the 40Mbps sync speed limit ?
We can't tell from that, but probably not. The IP profile that goes along with a sync of 40Mbps would 38717, and would normally result in download speeds of around 35-36Mbps.
You would indeed need to be hitting this level to ever benefit from upgrading to an "up to 80" product.
Quote What are FTTC ranges A and B ?
The A range is described as "clean", which we take to me a good quality pair, with no connections "spurred" off the side (known as a bridge tap), and no issues with the line such as faulty joints.
The B range is described as "impacted", and is likely to be suffering from one or more such problems.
An engineer performing FTTC installation would normally make sure the line is behaving as a "clean" line should.
Quote Would there be any speed advantage in upgrading to Fibre Extra ?
We need to see more data, but it doesn't look like it. BT expects that the highest sync speed you could get on "Fibre Extra" would be 49Mbps.
Using FTTC since 2011. Currently on 80/20 Unlimited Fibre Extra.
Re: Fibre v Fibre Extra
30-11-2014 11:40 AM
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Re: Fibre v Fibre Extra
30-11-2014 12:25 PM
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Speed Test Results
Download 31.19Mbs Upload 8.13Mbs Latency 35.25ms
Further Diagnostics
Download speed achieved during the test was - 31.19 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speeds is 25.86 Mbps-36.94 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 36.94 Mbp
Upload speed achieved during the test was - 8.13Mbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 20 Mbps
We were unable to identify any performance problem with your service at this time.
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So as Nyxanna has said, I guess this is as good as I'm likely to get and there would be no point in my upgrading to Fibre Extra.
Just suppose that I lived close enough to the cabinet to achieve upload speeds of 38Mbs -- the capped rate for Fibre. Then I guess I could consider upgrading to Fibre Extra.
But in that case how could I find out before placing an order to upgrade just how fast I was likely to get ? For example, if the uncapped line only supported say 50Mbps it wouldn't be worth the upgrade but if it was over say 65Mbs, it would be worth it.
Does the availability checker result for my local cabinet FTTC Range A (Clean) 47.8Mbs High mean that this is the maximum anyone could possibly get from this cabinet ?
i.e. It wouldn't be worth anyone using this cabinet (even if they lived right next to it) upgrading to Fibre Extra.
Thanks again
Re: Fibre v Fibre Extra
30-11-2014 12:41 PM
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Re: Fibre v Fibre Extra
30-11-2014 5:13 PM
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Quote from: bazzer9 But in that case how could I find out before placing an order to upgrade just how fast I was likely to get ? For example, if the uncapped line only supported say 50Mbps it wouldn't be worth the upgrade but if it was over say 65Mbs, it would be worth it.
You'd do what we've asked on here: Check the result of the estimation, to see if the "clean" range was well above 40. If it was close to, or below 40, you'd check the IP profile.
A profile of 36.94 suggests you are synchronising at 38.2Mbps. There is no point in getting the extra package, at least not for the higher downstream speed.
Quote Does the availability checker result for my local cabinet FTTC Range A (Clean) 47.8Mbs High mean that this is the maximum anyone could possibly get from this cabinet ?
No, it is particular to your line - With no other data to help, the estimator checks the line characteristics it holds for your line (ie the line distance and other physical properties), at least as far as the DP, and makes the estimation based on the performance of similar lines.
Every cabinet is capable of delivering speeds of 80/20 to as many lines have appropriate physical properties - and can probably go faster.
You are generally capable of getting 80/20 speeds within around 350m of the cabinet, but the result (as ever) is also dependent on the quality of the line and how many neighbours have also ordered FTTC.
Using FTTC since 2011. Currently on 80/20 Unlimited Fibre Extra.
Re: Fibre v Fibre Extra
30-11-2014 5:32 PM
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