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Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
21-07-2015 9:29 AM
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I'm a mile form the cabinet and Plus Net have given an estimated max download speed of 10Mb/s whereas if I chose Sky they imply it may be as much as 17Mb/s.
It looks like PN have taken the probable max speed from what are shown as Range B / impacted figures whereas Sky quote the Range A Clean Figures on the BTW BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER site.
(See below)
Downstream Line Rate(Mbps) Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)
High Low High Low
FTTC Range A (Clean) 17 10.6 1.3 0.8 -- Available
FTTC Range B (Impacted) 13.4 5.3 1.2 0.5 -- Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 1 -- 1 to 3.5 Available
ADSL Max Up to 1 -- 0.25 to 2 Available
At the moment my max quoted ADSL sync speed on the checker is up to 1Mb/s but we actually sync at 1.5 Mb/s
it will be interesting to see what the actual rates are!
Re: Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
21-07-2015 9:46 AM
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Which is quite amusing, seeing as Plusnet do an engineer install at the master socket with a VDSL2 filter plate, and Sky do a self-install with a dangly filter on any socket you like. Self-install leaving the possibility of star wiring and ring wire problems straight off.
Re: Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
21-07-2015 10:29 AM
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21-07-2015 10:47 AM
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PlusNet told me i could expect around 35mbps and thats pretty much spot on(my profile is 34.1mbps)
Re: Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
21-07-2015 10:55 AM
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21-07-2015 11:36 AM
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21-07-2015 11:38 AM
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21-07-2015 11:44 AM
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Edit: Except in the industry's marketing departments.
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Re: Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
29-07-2015 2:01 PM
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I have been sent a new wireless router, which I admit I ordered, as I was under the assumption it was necessary . It is a Plus Net branded thingy with fold out red feet. No idea what it is called.
So a couple of questions:
1. Is this device with red fold out feet any good?
2. Is it any better, or worse than the Plus Net Branded / Techniclour TG582n - which I have found to be quite OK
3. Can I continue to use the TG582n insead of the new thing, as I would have to set the new thing up with additinal IP address ranges for various devices that I use - which would be a pain.
4. Is there a single combined FTTC modem/ router that I could buy instead of both the BT FTTC modem and Plus Net router , thus saving on equipment clutter and presumably power usage? If so, what is recommended ? I have a budget of up to £40.00
5. If I do have to use the BT Modem, can I use a standard CAT5 Ethernet cable and so put a router elsewhere on a much longer cable, or is there something special about the supplied ethernet cable with red ends?
5. Finally, Kellys are due to do the install. They just phoned. Is there anything I should be looking out for ?
Thanks
Re: Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
29-07-2015 3:53 PM
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2. Seems to be worse than the 582n which is a feet in itself.
3. yes you can use the 582n although you would have to update the firmware for it to allow fibre to work if it's setup for ADSL, it will turn one of the Ethernet ports to a WAN port so you will only have three Ethernet ports available afterwards instead of the four.
4. A Question for those that use a combined unit, Myself i prefer the separate setup.
5. I run a Cat6 cable myself but Cat 5e is perfectly fine you can go upto 100m away, there is nothing special about the cable with the red ends other than it maybe too short depending on how far your router will be from the modem.
6. Make sure he or she installs a new master socket it should be a filtered MK2 or MK3 and ask them to check that everything is working OK before he / she goes kellys have bee known to just connect the modem to the wall plug the cable into the master socket then go without checking to make sure that the modem is getting sync with the cab.
Re: Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
29-07-2015 4:09 PM
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29-07-2015 5:00 PM
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That budget is not going to get a NEW VDSL modem/router I'm afraid. The cheapest ones around are the TPLink TD-W9980 and the Billion 8800NL both at around £60ish. There's some useful info on combined units here http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=14436.0 .
Quote 4. Is there a single combined FTTC modem/ router that I could buy instead of both the BT FTTC modem and Plus Net router , thus saving on equipment clutter and presumably power usage? If so, what is recommended ? I have a budget of up to £40.00
For your £40 you ought to be able to pick up a BT Home Hub 5 from ebay, they can be used on PN.
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Re: Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
29-07-2015 5:48 PM
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1) I haven't used that device, but a LOT of people are having issues with it.
2) I use the TG582n for fibre and although it is a basic router, I find it totally reliable. I have all my port forwarding set up and NEVER need to reboot it. As already said, it will need the fibre firmware, but that should be easy enough to put on. You could try backing up your current configuration then reloading it after the firmware upgrade. Not sure if it will keep the settings (with it being a different firmware), but worth a try. Worst case just reset it back to factory config.
3) See answer 2 above
4) Combined unit is good for clutter, but I actually prefer the separate units. That way I can try a different router if I want, make router config changes etc, without dropping the VDSL connection. Purely a personal preference though.
5) As already said, the red cable is just a standard ethernet cable so you can use a much longer one. You can also have the modem away from the master socket if required by running an extension (or maybe you requested the extension kit in the order). If the installer fits that, it will only be on the surface (around skirting board etc). Also best not to use existing extension wiring for that (as the typical flat cable is more lossy at VDSL2 frequencies as compared to twisted pair).
6) I had a Kelly install. Just be careful and ensure everything works the way you expect before they leave. You should get a MK3 master socket provided tomorrow (I think it has the better filter components inside it). The MK3 master socket has the extra socket on top (RJ11 though think it also accepts RJ45) that is unfiltered for connecting to the modem (it is not an ethernet port). If you do plan on having the modem a bit further away, or just want a neater install, a cable can be kroned in (IDC connections) to the AB terminals inside the socket. This way you don't have to have an RJ11 cable permanently sticking out the top port of the master socket. It all depends on the location of the modem etc for your particular install.
One last thing, the RJ11 to RJ11 cable that is supplied with the Openreach modem is a flat cable. I recommend using a twisted pair cable for better noise immunity. You can pick one up (e.g. Belkin) for 3 or 4 pounds. This is a 'belt n braces' approach, it doesn't mean it will help, but since that cable is often close to power supplies and sockets etc, it gives your connection a better chance.
Good luck with the install.
Re: Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
29-07-2015 6:34 PM
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I'll see what Kellys manage to do tomorrow. Also it will be intresting to see how / or if things improve: ( assumng they do! )
Currently I am seeing this .. ( i told you we were in the middle of nowhere ) on a 6km long line . Which with FTTC will reduce to about 1.6km .
Downstream
Noise Margin: 6.4 dB
Bandwidth: 1504 kbps
Attenuation: 63.5 dB
Power: 16.3 dBm
Errors:
FEC: 3546828
CRC: 16165
HEC: 30166
Failures since last reset:
LOF: 4
LOS: 34
LPR: 0
ES : 23936
Upstream
Noise Margin: 10.0 dB
Bandwidth: 448 kbps
Attenuation: 31.5 dB
Power: 12.3 dBm
Errors:
FEC: 6548
CRC: 1429
HEC: N/A
Re: Different Fibre Speed Estimates form PN/ BT & Sky
30-07-2015 10:37 AM
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BTW gives 10.69Mbs down and 2.5mbs up
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