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seanius
Dabbler
Posts: 13
Registered: ‎06-09-2017

Bufferbloat

I have noticed poor performance when using video on WhatsApp and FaceTime.  My upload and download speeds are as I expect (31Mbps down and 5Mbps up), but I notice that Bufferbloat has been highlighted as an issue when using this speed checker (https://www.ispreview.co.uk/speed/).  Bufferbloat = Download is D and Upload is B.

 

Could this be causing the issues with WhatsApp and FaceTime? 

 

How can I improve the Bufferbloat (I am useing the Plusnet Hub One router)?

 

 

Thanks in advance.

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Plusnet Help Team
Plusnet Help Team
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Registered: ‎22-01-2018

Re: Bufferbloat

Hello @seanius, thanks for getting in touch. We don't think this is the cause of the issue, as we have checked your usage and we can see you are not maximizing your line

 

Have you notice if anything is uploading in the background when you are making the video calls? Does it happen on both wired and wireless connections or just one? if just one, what kind?

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 SammyM
 Plusnet Help Team
seanius
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Posts: 13
Registered: ‎06-09-2017

Re: Bufferbloat

Video calls are being used over wireless.

 

I noticed the difference because when I used video calls over 4G recently and it was a lot better than when I am on the Plusnet fibre broadband + wifi at home.

Plusnet Help Team
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Re: Bufferbloat

Hi @seanius,


Thank you for confirming that. Do you notice any performance issues on wired connections or is this issue solely affecting wireless connections?

 

 Please can you run through our connection troubleshooting guides here and let us know how you get on.

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dtaht
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Registered: ‎17-07-2018

Re: Bufferbloat

A couple quick notes: The http://www.dslreports.com/ speedtest gives a pretty good, plotted figure for the bufferbloat on a given connection (you can do the test, and paste the reference url, here).

 

I'm replying because of this statement by support:

 

"We don't think this is the cause of the issue, as we have checked your usage and we can see you are not maximizing your line"

 

Your typical 30/5 mbit link has tons of bloat on the uplink side, often measured in seconds. Anything greater than a few dozen ms adversely affects internet performance.

 

bloat is "latency under load", and can only be observed when you are doing more than one thing with your line - someone doing web while you watch netflix, someone doing an upload while you are doing a download, etc - and most ISP tools today don't detect it. ISP stats tend to be 5 minute averages. If you are saturating your link for half that time with tons of bufferbloat, and it's idle the other half, it looks like the line is 50% utilized from that perspective. Detailed plots like the dslreports one, or more professional ones like those produced by the flent.org tools help.

 

Our general hope is that more customers install a box with the smart queue management system (sqm-scripts) or something derived from fq_codel on it, and more ISPs also supply cpe with that sort of thing autoconfigured by default. The difference in network performance for all applications and all users on the network is like night and day.

 

I could go into enormous lengths here, but my hope has generally been to get one engineer or support-tech at every ISP in the world to go install openwrt/dd-wrt/etc on their home router, enable sqm, and then campaign to get that on all their gear for all their customers because of the world of difference it makes.

seanius
Dabbler
Posts: 13
Registered: ‎06-09-2017

Re: Bufferbloat

Thanks @dtaht.  I ran the DSLreports speed test on a wired connection and the results can be found here.  It is showing a Bufferbloat of "C" which means 118ms when downloading and 91ms when uploading.

Is this pretty normal and what you should expect or does this indicate an issue?

dtaht
Newbie
Posts: 2
Registered: ‎17-07-2018

Re: Bufferbloat

Yes, that's a "C". If plusnet lets you install your own DSL router (?), evenroute's product includes the best of all the bufferbloat-fighting fixes we've made so far, and should move your grade to a A+, with, oh, no more than 20ms delay on this test while uploading, and (if you are willing to sacrifice 5-15% bandwidth) no more than 20ms on downloading. 

 

There are many other routers that can be reflashed with lede-project's stuff which has all ours in it also, but I only recommend that route if you are techie enough.