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Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
06-03-2020 5:39 PM
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@jab1 wrote: Still can't understand what the original OP is on about though.
More likely a browser setting. Like @Baldrick1 I've found the so called location data to be way out. The nearest one has got was Sheffield....still quite some way away - 60 mins driving. Certainly if I'm logged into Google, well, it is spot on. But logged out, it's lost.
One reason I tend to run No script, Adblock, Privacy Badger etc. Even mobiles can give locations some miles away. Depends if you have location enabled. And one thing that never happens is when that little box comes up (rare nowadays) asking for access to my location. If I'm just visiting - no chance.
Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
06-03-2020 6:38 PM
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@idonno I run uBlock Origin, mainly to block ads, but that's to block them on certain sites that seem to be overrun with them. I'm not bothered about anyone 'knowing' where I am - in fact sometimes I want them to, as I've said before.
Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
06-03-2020 10:53 PM
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Dynamic IPs are assigned from relatively small pools specific to your location. Sometimes, geo-location databases can be out of the date though.
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Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
07-03-2020 5:20 AM - edited 07-03-2020 5:29 AM
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@dvorak: I don't use google Android or Iphone. My phone runs custom AOSP with no Google Apps and all gelocation hard-coded disabled. And I made sure my phone was off before testing OBVIOUSLY.
Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
07-03-2020 5:21 AM - edited 07-03-2020 5:33 AM
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Wired. I'm gonna try VPN or TOR when testing the IP to see if it's browser fingerprinting. The maxmind site allows me to type a set of IPs to check.
Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
07-03-2020 5:23 AM - edited 07-03-2020 5:35 AM
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@idonno: I use all the blockers; I don't use anti fingerprinting add-ons but I do use the Firefox browser anti-tracker settings. I'm gonna look into it later...
Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
07-03-2020 5:25 AM - edited 07-03-2020 5:26 AM
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@ anoush: So you assign scopes to geolocation? Is that data passed on or datamined?
Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
07-03-2020 5:31 AM - edited 07-03-2020 5:48 AM
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@ mook. Interesting nick btw. OK I shouldn't have said ANY. The ones I am testing specifically, GEOIP2 and Google, are the ones I'm concerned with. Even if the data is sold to just one the principle is the same.
Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
07-03-2020 6:32 AM - edited 07-03-2020 6:34 AM
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I suppose I should also point out that this is on a fresh install of Windows 10 1909 with geolocation disabled and privacy at maximum, a third party firewall with all ports blocked except DHCP(67 UDP), DNS(53 UDP), Time (123 UDP) and a few applications (including Firefox) and all windows firewall rules are disabled. I only have 3 ports in use and 80 TCP is only allowed from Firefox but I'll try blocking most of this during a test and fiddle with Wireshark.
It could be an action in windows giving me away that occurs when my IP is changed. The local DHCP server is the router and DNS is third party (not Plus Net name servers) so it could be Windows time service if it's not fingerprinting.
Recent news from the USA is that Mobile providers and ISPs have been selling location data without consent and I'm wondering if the same is going on in the UK.
RIP Act allows all this for the security services but Google and Maxmind GEOIP2 are supposedly private companies.
Oh and thank you all for your input; it is much appreciated.
Re: Plus Net selling location data to third party databases
07-03-2020 7:55 AM
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The Maxmind GeoIP2 database appears to have a resolution limited to blocks of 128 IP addresses. Try changing the last number of your IP address and looking that up - I think all 128 IP addresses in a /25 block will give the same location.
You may not be sending your location to Google, but plenty of others in that block will have smartphones that will be, and also previous users of your IP address will have been in the same area as you.
Plusnet are definitely not supplying the location data - when people end up on a block of IP addresses new to Plusnet, they'll be people complaining about their geoip location being in some other country where that block of IP addresses was previously registered, causing its own problems with various websites and services thinking that they're not in the UK.
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