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Not exactly eco friendly

zpeterk
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Not exactly eco friendly

I was just looking for a drum for a Brother 1430 and they are about £90 I can buy a new whole printer for £83 has the world gone mad?
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Not really.... printer manufacturers (at least, I know this is the case with inkjet) deliberately sell their printers at a loss, hoping to make lots of money on consumables.

Which means they must hate me, 'cause I'm always upgrading my printer. :lol:

Thomas
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Registered: 30-07-2007

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This is also why inkjet printers are so cheap, but the replacement ink catridges are so expensive and never last as long as you think. Printer manufacturers make more money from the cartidges, special paper etc than they do with the printer hardware. This is also the reason why if they release a new printer range, they often change the cartridge design so you can't use existing cartridges.
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If you have cartridges, there are lots of places that off a re-fill service for cheap. The local place by me, charges about £6 :lol:

OK the ink isn't always quite as good, but it's better than paying over the odds for new cartridges. Cheesy
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Ink quality is never good in replacment carts. What many people don't see is that the pigment colour, especialy in the magenta and cyan, are not correct, nor is the black.

Printer professionsals already perform colour matching, and can often compensate for such differances.

That is not the end fo the trouble however. Damage to the cart and the ink itself can do irrepearable damage to your printer. They are all worth it, until they mean you must buy a new printer.

Replacments toners are also available. Often filled from cheap drums of photocopier toner. As a business, toner fillers can make £1000 per drum of toner.

However, toner powder can damage a printer more than ink-jet refills break there printers.

The original questions was looking for a drum, and not toner from what I can see. Have you contacted Brother UK?
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Phil,

In the case of replacement carts, i..e non original, I agree with you. However since often original carts cost more than the original printer, if it packs in, just buy a new printer. In addition, most new printers come with a new set of carts.

PC world , were selling bottom of the range inkjet printers for £25, the original replacement carts for it are £25 and £28. Strange as it might seem, if the printer runs out of ink, it works out cheaper to buy a new printer. Wink
LiamM
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Printer manufacturers also tend to ship printers with ink cartridges that do not last half as long as the real things you buy in the shops too.
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Been using Epson printers for several years with non branded compatible replacement cartridges (both chipped and non chipped). Never had any problems what so ever in the last two years of using them. Tend to use Platinum brand cartridges from Injkjet Direct at Bowlers in M/C. Very good value as well - £10 for 3 pairs (non chipped), £13 for 2 pairs (chipped). May not be the exact match in colour tones as the originals but you cannot tell for most prints including photos. Unfortunately Epson and Cannon are really the only manufacturer that you can buy both chipped and non chipped compatible cartridges for .
The whole printer cartridge thing amongst the main manufacturers is a great big scam has as been pointed out. If they lowered the prices of their original branded cartridges then perhaps more people would by them regularily. Just my thoughts!
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I don't disagree that you won't get longer lifespans out of some carts than others. But if you rely on cheap inks, you instantly invalidate any warentee.

People go on about the law, and that regardless of any wanretee, it must be supplied and remain in a state that is usable. These only go as far as using them within the manufacturers guidelines.

Althought far fetched, it is somewhat like putting a rock in a blender, and complaining it broke it.

I actualy find most companies and quality printers (not sub £80), are supplied with extra long lasting carts. This is for two reasons

1: Get them out of any of the X days return if unhappy
2: To fool consumers into thinking they are getting a good Total Cost of Ownership price.
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Certain inkjet printers claim to use about 25% of the ink during the initial turn on, to setup the print head. Hence why they don't last as long as brank new ones. I don't know if this is true or not, but it's a pain either way.

Phil, your right that using other than original carts can invalid the warantee, but I can't imagine to many companies taking this to the wire. For good customer relations, they would probably just replace the printer.

Most computers have a whole raft of conditions, such what software you use, if it's remotely dodgy etc., it will invalid your warantee.

Finally, everything you buy is engineered to have an expected life. For example B&D basic drils are designed to last 6 or so hours use. If you think about how many holes you might drill, each hole taken between 10-60 secs to drill. That's a few holes.
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The downside to the cheaper to buy a new printer than replace the carts saga is that thousands of perfectly good printers are ending up in landfill sites. As they have no resell value and are almost impossible to give away.
I'm guilty of this eco crime myself
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I have to say that I once tried "compatible" inks and paper... and I shall never ever do so again. Ok, I admit, I am fussy - being someone who's pretty interested in photography, I demand very good quality from my printers... and I have to say that, unfortunately, compatible stuff just doesn't deliver. Sad

There's also another issue with Epson printers... because of the nature of the printheads (and the fact they're not replacable by the user), they can get easily clogged if you use some ink that's maybe just not quite right.

However, I agree with all the sentiments about original cartridges being expensive... to me however, they have the monopoly on quality.

Thomas
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Paul,

That is the problem with living in a throw away society, where it's cheaper to replace than to repair and people don't want to be without things, and thus they won't wait the repair time.

Thomas,

Buying original is always the best option if your worried about quality or damage to your printer. I tend to take my carts to be re-filled at a place the specialises in cart refills, rather than buy non original replacements. I print the odd photo and thankfully I've never had any real problems with the colour and quality.