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Anyone here build computers?

I am in the process of building a computer for surfing the web, word processing and playing footy games like pes5 and fifa06.

My question is do all motherboards come with some type of on-board graphics. :?

The reason for the question is because I have looked on computer retailer websites and most of the bare bones systems they are selling have on-board graphics.

I have itemised and costed the individual bits and I have worked out that I could just about build it cheaper myself.

Would on-board graphics let me play footy games? I am looking at ASUS motherboards by the way.

Thanks for your help. Wink
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Walrus
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All motherboards don't come with onboard graphics, although a good proportion do.

Onboard graphics probably will let you play your games, but generally only at the lower settings/resolution.

One idea might be to build with onboard graphics, see if it suits your needs, if not save up and spend around £100 on a graphics card (many good cards are available around this price point, that will be far more powerful than onboard graphics).
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Thanks for the reply spare. What about the asus motherboards do they have onboard graphics?

I suppose my next question is how much on the motherboard £50-£100?

Thanks
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It will depend on the model as to whether or not onboard graphics are included. I'd personally never use onboard graphics and if you intend to use the machine for gaming then you would be wise to look at a seperate card especially.

Buying a motherboard without onboard graphics will probably be cheaper and give you more options, if you decide to buy one with onboard, while it might make the total cost seem cheaper it wont be if you then find its not sutiable afterwards.

On another note, would you please change your forum avatar so it fits within the forum requirements of no more than 80x80 pixels, the one you are currently showing is 100x100.

Thanks,
Chris
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I would also say that for gaming on board graphics is not a good idea in general, not only are they generally less powerful but often they lack some features even the basic seperate graphics cards have, for instance I still know of many onboard graphics setups which do not support HT&L which will stop some newer games running atall and those it doesn't take a preformance hit as the workload falls back on your main CPU instead of a specialised GPU.

So go with the sepeate graphics if you can afford the price tag, as for the money to spend on the motherboard depends on your needs, a cheep one will do the job sometimes but not others, downsides of cheep ones are often:

Shortage of PCI slots, not good if you have things like offboard sound, TV cards and other PCI devices you can soon find later you will regret saving money on that board with only 3 or 4 PCI slots.

Shortage of RAM slots in some cases some will only come with 2 slots which may take say 1GB each but better to have 4 IMO, demands for memory is rising all the time, and future generarations of windows sound like they will be wanting to take an even bigger chunk of RAM off you.
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Sound is another one to consider too, I used to use onboard sound on a PC for just playing the odd mp3, it was prone to cutting out and very poor quality. The onboard graphics will also eat into the system ram as far as I know.

One thing I do generally use is the onboard lan connection (when available), I've never had a problem with those.
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If it's just for the odd game there is no need to spend too much on a card
A reasonable good card such as a FX5500 128MB can be had for less than £35 new. I feel the difference between 128MB and 256MB is not worth worrying about on a card such as this.
All right, it's not top of the range but then you're talking around £300.
I guess if you can spend about twice that, the FX6600 is a good balance between performance and price.
An old but still very good card is the nVidia MX Ti range, esp the 4800Ti. They come up on eBay from time to time, must be the Ti series though, not the sleepy Ge4 MX400 series.
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Just an additional fact.
If you are going to keep the computer for a long time and possibly upgrade to Windows Vista then it is essentialthat whichever motherboard you select has the capability of accepting a PCI-E graphics card as the on board graphics will almost certainly give problems.
Also make sure the PSU you put in has enough power and also a high enough 12V rail capacity.
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Thanks for all the advice. Very useful


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All mother board makers have a website. On the website you will find a list of all their current mother boards and the specifications for each.

All games list on the box the reccomended specifications for the computer on which they are to be played.

The higher the specs for the PC and especailly the Graphics card the better they will play games and perform other requirements. You get what you pay for and it is false economy to go for the cheapest option when buying or building a computer. The received wisdom is buy the best you can afford.
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Thanks again.

Here is the specification I am going for. I would appreciate any comments from those who have the time.

Chembro gaming bomb case

Asus SKT-939 A8N-SLI S/l/SLI HT motherboard

AMD Athlon 64 3000 CPU

Maxtor HD Serial 160 Gb Hard drive

Asus 128mb gef 6600gt graphics card
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Only one comment, if your case comes without a PSU don't skimp on buying one..
Spending £50+ on it will pay dividends in the long run
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1 FYI I've had a couple of Maxtor 160GB drives start to exhibit serious read/write errors after only a few months usage! I am kinda put off Maxtor ATM.

2 IMO that case sux! Tongue

3 The 6600GT 128 is maybe not the best buy pound for pound performance tbh. I got one just less than a year ago, and although it's a good performer I wish I had gone for one with more memory now.
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Chembro gaming bomb case
Asus SKT-939 A8N-SLI S/l/SLI HT motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 3000 CPU
Maxtor HD Serial 160 Gb Hard drive
Asus 128mb gef 6600gt graphics card


Not to keen on the case, a case should always be 12-15% of your budget imo. You don’t want to put a Ferrari engine inside a Fiesta chassis right?

If the case comes with a psu its likely to be a cheapo one so you should be looking to spend £35-50 on a 400Watt for your spec (and for system upgrades later on)

Motherboard is a good one, you could save some money by getting the non SLI version (SLI 6600gt is pointless now)

CPU ok, not too keen on Mator hd's - ive always found Samsung or Western Digital to be very good, for only a few quid more.

You haven’t got any RAM in your spec and it would be helpful if you told us your budget?
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Hmm,

I agree with these guys. The case I am not too keen on. I have been looking at the "Coolermaster Stacker" for a little while now. Its both nice and sturdy ( although not excellent for gaming if moving ). 11 * 5 1/4" bays at the front, 2 * PSU slots at the rear and its AT, ATX and BTX compatible.

But that would be my choice of case ( being the type to spend some £80 - £100 on a case alone ).

As far as PSU's go take a look at FSP. Typical price is about £35 - £45, but they are seriously worthwhile. 12cm internal fan with a very very low noise output for that silent sounding PSU. Perhaps even a light up neon blue PSU ?? lol

Regards,