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convergence and leaving Plusnet

kosh2
Grafter
Posts: 211
Registered: 04-08-2007

convergence and leaving Plusnet

I am now on the active hunt for a new ISP. LIke so many others I am fed up of the deteriorating CS (see my many threads on the fiasco with my father-in-law, which has only just been resolved.) I feel the downward trend started with the loss of binary newsgroups, then the traffic shaping, then the ridiculously low 10 GIG peak time limit (other ISPs seem to do 20-50 GIG peaktime at similar prices) and now the email fiasco.

It is a shame as I have been with Plusnet for some 5 years (including my time with F9). I do feel that they offer good value when you take into account the web space, which includes Mysql, PHP etc. I have found scant others who offer this level of web space. The control panel is excellent. Thoiugh I must say that the Contact section is very poor and has worsened recently.

I am seriously looking at newnet which offers a "no-frills" service. If I take this option I will need a hsoting company but I see many such companies offering hosting for £9.99 per year or similar. So the economic impact may be minimal. Am already outsourced for my usenet (astrweb) which I was very angry at having to do.

But this made me think, why are we so obsessed by convergence at present. Looking at TalkTalk, Orange and even Plusent with their new packages the trend is this way but why?

Plusnet cannot offer decent usenet. Almost all other ISPs cannot offer decent web space. And maybe the question is - should they?

I have Windows XP but I don't run solely Microsoft programmes. I bank with a famous name but I don't have all my savings there. I swap my electric and gas around for the best deal. I have a vauxhall car but I dont always use their garage. etc etc.

What is wrong with getting a cheap ISP and then outsourcing email, hosting and usenet. If one of these companies let me down I move but do not disrupt the other parts of the package.

Interested in your opinions on this.

PS Am not jumping ship until the SKY annoucement on 19th.
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sinewave
Grafter
Posts: 297
Registered: 17-08-2007

convergence and leaving Plusnet

One of the most sensible comments I've read for ages.

Right now ISP's (and comms co.s) play a balancing act with all the products you can get for the one price. Everything costs so they have to guess what "mr average" ~really~ wants. If he wants solid email and support then you'll see low download allowances etc.

But no single "product" is suitable for all.

Its a bit like the hi-fi market used to be. Those who were passionate about records bought a record deck, amp and speakers but didn't waste money on cassette (remember those!). Or perhaps it was a cassette deck, radio tuner, amp and speakers for the folk who liked to record Radio 3. then of course there were those who were deaf and thought a "mini" system with everything (including lots of flashing lights - and designed to look like separates!) would cover all eventualities - they'd hardly use it though and certainly not enjoy it as much as the enthusiasts with the separates.

If you really care and are passionate about your broadband, go separate!
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hen of course there were those who were deaf and thought a "mini" system with everything (including lots of flashing lights - and designed to look like separates!) would cover all eventualities - they'd hardly use it though and certainly not enjoy it as much as the enthusiasts with the separates.

Sounds like the views of someone who will claim they can hear the difference between speakers costing 500 pounds and some costing 800 pounds... I'm all in favour of separate services when it comes to the internet but there's little to compare with the hi-fi marke, IMO.

As for the three-play and four-play ideas, I am sure there will be some 'reasonable' deals in the future, but it would be a bit early to "jump" onto any of them in the first 6 months.. I'm not looking at any of them, as things stand, because most will have some fee to switch to them, possibly another to exit, and with contracts of up to 18 months, I would feel daft if something better came along just a month later.

I was expecting the Plus.Net 15.00 phone package to be a better deal than it is (1000 minutes of which 300 can be international) as the "Anytime" part of the name implied something better. One of the competitor phone packages offers 3000 minutes (which for a family could make more sense, even if none of those calls would be international).

Most of the deals could lock down a phone line in such a way it limits the choice (of ISP, of CPS firm, and any indirect access services). At present I use 1899.com for some of my calls, the line is with BT (which gives me free caller display), and I have TalkTalk for call billing (which gives free calls to other TalkTalk users).

I've seen negative comments about TalkTalk in the past and while I expect them to make the internet service better, I certainly would not want to lock into their service and would hesitate to lock into any other for now.

(I use Orange but don't have a monthly contract, use Virgin mobile but don't have a contract phone, would not go back to Freeserve / Wanadoo / Orange and doubt I'd want to touch broadband service from NTL / Virgin if they come out with some package next year. Toucan has been promoting their service for ages but AFAIK they're reselling some Tiscali services.)
canford
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Posts: 164
Registered: 01-08-2007

convergence and leaving Plusnet

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Sounds like the views of someone who will claim they can hear the difference between speakers costing 500 pounds and some costing 800 pounds...


... and those with really discerning ears can detect when 'oxygen free copper' is being used for the speaker leads. Cheesy
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I agree with the comments here, but to me, I've always outsourced parts of my Internet.

I have never used e-mail that is offered by an ISP
I never used usenet services through ISP
I never host websites

All I literally need is a connection to the internet. Everything else, I'll take care of myself.
kosh2
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Posts: 211
Registered: 04-08-2007

convergence and leaving Plusnet

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Toucan has been promoting their service for ages but AFAIK they're reselling some Tiscali services.)


I belelive so. On adslguide forum they are certainly put down alot.
kosh2
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Posts: 211
Registered: 04-08-2007

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I agree with the comments here, but to me, I've always outsourced parts of my Internet.


Who do you use for email etc?
canford
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Posts: 164
Registered: 01-08-2007

convergence and leaving Plusnet

Until a little over a month ago I pointed e-mail, from my various domains, at my PlusNet account. After the little fiasco at the time I started to use a free e-mail account with uk2.net (who host some domains for me).

They have hosted my domains for almost five years, have proved very reliable and, unlike PlusNet, have an excellent web-mail service which I use during the winter months when I am overseas.

PlusNet's e-mail service over the past few months has been disgraceful.
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I agree with the comments here, but to me, I've always outsourced parts of my Internet.


Who do you use for email etc?


postmaster
hotmail
gmail (google)

Newshosting.com for Usenet access

dont have a website

but that's all I need..
sinewave
Grafter
Posts: 297
Registered: 17-08-2007

convergence and leaving Plusnet

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Sounds like the views of someone who will claim they can hear the difference between speakers costing 500 pounds and some costing 800 pounds... I'm all in favour of separate services when it comes to the internet but there's little to compare with the hi-fi marke, IMO.


You are making an assumption about me and I find that somewhat insulting.

For record I make my living as a professional working in audio. I am a TV sound recordist and have managed recording studios (including my own) in the past. I am fully aware of the debates in consumer audio circles and have little time for them.

For the record, like most folk, I would be able to tell the difference between two sets of £800 speakers from different manufacturers, let alone the difference between a set of £400 or £800 speakers. Indeed I have often sat in front of speakers that cost more than a luxury car and they've all sounded different. As a professional I often use OFC cable as it doesn't corrode or "age" like other materials, though I have never bought cable for its "sound"!

Perhaps my light-hearted analogy was a poor one - I was tired after a 14hour day providing sound for a documentary programme. I'm not sure if it warranted such a dismissal though. I was just trying to make the point that there are folk who have higher quality requirements than others and the former should perhaps consider the more specialist markets.