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Spamming and Spoofing Plusnet Addresses

Up until a few months ago my spam volume was negligible. Lately it's gotten terrible. Daily my mailbox is crammed with rubbish. Seems now my address has been spoofed, as I'm getting bounced mails from failed deliveries to companies who succesfully block spamming.

I think I need to close down my existing address and use a new one. Is this possible online or must I sit listening to music for an hour whilst paying for the privilege, or, in this age of technology, do as Plusnet suggests and write a letter. Write a letter?!? Because Plusnet deem it not accountable enough? Or is that a euphemism for _ so we at plustnet can't be readily accountable. Seems they have put up more barriers between us, the very people who pay them their wages, and themselves....hang on, wrong conversation.

If anyone has any ideas on how to combat Spoofing and such I'd be most grateful.

sincerely

Stephen Melling
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Spamming and Spoofing Plusnet Addresses

The ticket system is supposed to be a secure alternative to an email system, which logs your correspondance against your account.

It works in a similar way to many of the online banks I use.

Its fully traceable, and the history is there for yourself and the agents to see.

I certainly prefer it to sending an email, and it has the benefit that by following the wizard, your ticket is more likely to be assigned to the correct pool for attention, rather than waiting for somebody to manually assign each one to the correct pool.
AndyMan
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Registered: 30-07-2007

Re: Spamming and Spoofing Plusnet Addresses

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Seems now my address has been spoofed, as I'm getting bounced mails from failed deliveries to companies who succesfully block spamming.



hmmm .. strange that. I have had exactly the same thing start happening last night / this morning. Never had this happen before ...
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If anyone has any ideas on how to combat Spoofing and such I'd be most grateful.


Without sounding patronising or anything, the very first steps I would normally take is a complete and full system wide scan with several different makes of tools.
Although confident, the local machine is always the first thing that needs to be checked.

Other than this, im not sure Sad
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Posts: 470
Registered: 07-08-2007

Spamming and Spoofing Plusnet Addresses

I had the same thing happen to me last night as well!

rubbish before the @ symbol in the mail address which then gets forwarded to the postmaster account. I have never had this happen before.
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Spamming and Spoofing Plusnet Addresses

I too have had e-mails sent to me this morning which all have rubbish before the @ and look like they have all been bounced and marked as undeliverable. I've never had this before now. I know of one other user who has the same problem and his e-mails also arrived last night or this morning.
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Spamming and Spoofing Plusnet Addresses

I've had a bit of spoofing before, to my old BTInternet address. My domain has gotten a bit more spam recently, but it's not spoofing just being sent to common alias @ my domain, such as accounting@, admin@ et al.

Spammers would usually use the sender as <randomchars>@somehijackeddomain.com, so if you had a catch-all mailbox then any reports (which didn't contain an existing mailbox name) would get delivered by default to that mailbox.

I think this is enabled by default with PlusNet and you can raise a ticket for this to be disabled, which is what I suggest you do. Of course this will also affect legitimate e-mail sent to a non-valid mailbox name before the '@', but usually is not a problem as you would confirm with the sender what you'd use before the '@'.
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Spamming and Spoofing Plusnet Addresses

Aha,

I think I know what you are on about. Its all of a sudden only just started flowing into my accounts aswell.
This would suggest that someones managed to get a record of the account name ( eg tomspcs.plus.com ) or the mail server at plusnets end is vunerable somehow.

Could A member of the comms team flag this one up by chance?

The source is below. I have taken out my personal email address, which for some reason featured in there ( but this may be due to my mail server fetching the mail for the postmaster account via pop3 ).

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It is clearly spam mail, only what I am struggling to figure out is how on earth have they managed to so accurately detect our postmaster account emails.

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From: Billy Rivers <kytnfv@tomspcs.plus.com> To: a140775@agn.forthnet.gr
Subject: academy bronco
Date: 29.09.2006 14:54
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I've now had such 10 e-mails since 11:30 this morning. I really don't want to have to block my default account. How has this happened? And how widespread is it?
fathouseflies
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Posts: 25
Registered: 01-08-2007

Spamming and Spoofing Plusnet Addresses

Just recieved 2 bounced emails in my Postmaster account!This has never happened before and it seems to be happening to lots of us.

I would be very interested to know whats going on.
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There is a theory in this thread

http://portal.plus.net/central/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48989

It is such a simple and straight forward theory, that I am surprised why its never happened before.
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If that poster is correct, it looks like blocking the default mailbox and only using named mailboxes is the only way to go. Can anyone from PlusNet comment on this?
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Thanks: 15
Registered: 06-04-2007

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The source is below.


According to spampcop, that message just went straight to you without any obfuscation!

http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z1083703018z68397e3813f982c1ff899f4e7f8ec076z

SW.
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hmm,

Ill not try and make out im 100% fluent in the source lol. ( if at all ) but looking in the long posting above there is a couple of lines which does state...
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Received: from witwh ([62.175.92.78]) by jcha with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:57:10 +0200
Message-ID: <001801c6e3cf$2840f99f$4e5caf3e@witwh>
From: "Billy Rivers" <kytnfv@tomspcs.plus.com>
To: <a140775@agn.forthnet.gr>
Subject: academy bronco
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:54:25 +0200


Now wouldnt this suggest that the email was originally being sent to "To: <a140775@agn.forthnet.gr>" from "From: "Billy Rivers" <kytnfv@tomspcs.plus.com>" using ip 62.175.92.78?

All I got was the bounce notification. If this is the case then the question I ask myself is, was the bounce intended or was it because it was unfortunate for the spammer that there was no email address there.
In short did I only happen to get the bounce notification because they messed up and sent it to a non existant email address.
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If that poster is correct, it looks like blocking the default mailbox and only using named mailboxes is the only way to go. Can anyone from PlusNet comment on this?


It is not that simple, spammers only get paid for live email addresses. Plusnet customers represents a feast for them.

We need the ability to create white and black lists, then we can authorise the addresses we use and block the ones we don't. Messages on the blacklist shoudl bounce, this way the spammers will stop using it.

But first we have to "turn the tap off" and that means locking out ALL access to this forum for guests and dial up users until we can change our Forum ID's.

This is so serious, Plusnets Spam filter is pretty crappy anyway but this makes email unusable.

I have used over 100 email addresses, ironically I did this to PREVENT SPAM. Now even if I create mailboxes for these and set up accounts to collect it all in my mail client it would weeks to sort this.

The only way forward to is to give us control over our domains otherwise the whole thing is useless.