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Sick of spam now

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Sick of spam now

Up to now I have not felt the need to have seperate named mail boxes on my account and have just collected all the mail globaly with the anyone@username.plus.com option after running my "mail washer" program to delete the obvious rubbish first.

However spam has now risen to such a degree that I am getting totally fed up with it and need to think about using named mail boxes.

Now if I do this and just collect from these named boxes all this other junk is just going to sit uncollected on PlusNets mail servers.
What happens to this mail? how long will it just sit there? and will it cause a problem to PlusNet with the build up of this "Junk"?
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Sick of spam now

it will sit thier indefinatly, at present PlusNet dont impose a limit on your mailbox size. You can always log in every now and then via webmail, check that there is nothing you need (for example you really might want some viagra one day or to help some 'poor guy' in nigeria) and then delete the rest.

Chris
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Thanks Chris but I can't see that I will want any of the things that these "spammers" keep trying to push on me.
But yes you have confirmed what I thought in that all this junk is just going to sit there for ever if I start using named boxes and dont bother collecting the global stuff.
Just worried about causing a blockage in the works! If everyone did this it would soon mount to a very large junkpile Sad

Perhaps PlusNet needs to build something in to the system so that uncollected mail has a limited life of say 2 Months, or another way would be to have a fixed sized letterbox and when it was full new mail pushed some out of the bottom.
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Sick of spam now

It wont cause any problems unless you do decide you want to download them all via pop3 at some point, for instance if you reinstall your computer and forget you are now using a seperate mailbox.

Yes I think PlusNet should consider limiting mailboxes in the long run, otherwise as spam increases more people will begin doing what you are doing. And dont forget that unlimited is a route PlusNet have been down before...

Chris
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Yes it's definately getting a lot worse and I think I need to get something sorted mail wise before I go of on holiday on the 22nd.
Otherwise I'll be coming back to something like 500 plus junk mails that will have come in over the 2 weeks :?

Have to get stuck in tomorrow and create some boxes then let some people know the name change.
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Sick of spam now

To stop the spam, at least a lot of it and the problems I'm having with returned mails (someone has decided to use my @galacticempire.co.uk address for spamming purposes and I cannot stop all of the variations of anything @galacticempire.co.uk coming through) I've stopped collecting mail via the default mailbox. I now have.four mailboxes set up to collect mail and I WILL get SPAM still but not as much.

It still means I have to go into the default mailbox via the portal and delete mails there but its a lot easier than going into the extra mailboxes as the default one has the option to highlight which mails you want deleted with one click as opposed to having to tick each box manually.
Saturn
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Sick of spam now

John

Could you not set up a 'Junk E-mail' folder in your mail reader application (Outlook etc) and set up some rules to divert suspected spam into it. You would then be able to scan these e-mails periodically, save the ones the are relevant, and delete the unwanted. Although it may take a while to hone the rules to catch all/most of the spam it would save the risk of an ever mounting pile in your default mailbox. It would also reduce the risk of a genuine e-mail being overlooked.
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I've tried that and it worked great but since the happenings of the last few days, where I'm getting returned e-mails that were sent from addresses I don't use, it has made the option of not using my default mailbox the best one.
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Sick of spam now

Perhaps +net should consider integrating an anti spam package for ALL their subscribers and not charge extra for the priviledge.

If other (smaller) isp's can manage it i feel sure +net could without a price increase.

Now i know the idea of giving your customers something for free will cause a few heart palpitations, :mrgreen: but think of all the cred you will get for being seen to care, that's got to be worth something money cannot buy.
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Could you not set up a 'Junk E-mail' folder in your mail reader application (Outlook etc) and set up some rules to divert suspected spam into it. You would then be able to scan these e-mails periodically, save the ones the are relevant, and delete the unwanted.


Yes I did have exactly this running for some time but one of the problems of using this method is that all the virus infected stuff still gets downloaded onto your machine. Even though I have a good Anti Virus software I'd still prefer it not to arrive at all.
This is where "Mail Washer" is very good but it is now becoming a bind to find that when I run "Mail Washer" there are usualy up to 20 junk emails and since they almost always use different originating addresses then marking them as spam doesn't work all the time.
And of course I have to check carefully as one of the 20 could be genuine mail.

Hence the thoughts on using named boxes to try and cut this down to easily managed proportions. The only bind with this is having to notify a lot of people that my e-mail name has changed.
Any other ideas greatfully considered
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How about doing what galacticempire did? Create mailboxes for the address the spam is sent to, so it won't land in the postmaster mailbox.

Of course, that won't work if it's addressed to "postmaster@johnessex.plus.com".

Thomas
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Its a big problem Thomas but I think I'm going to try the mailbox ideas and see if it cuts it down by any large amount?
I'll let you know the results in due course. Cool

Just hope PlusNet dont mind the pile of unread mail in the Hallway Sad
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Perhaps +net should consider integrating an anti spam package for ALL their subscribers and not charge extra for the priviledge.


This has been talked of in the past, with a rather large thread.

It was stated that it couldn't be managed without a price increase.

Look at the current ISPs that provide this by default. Now think of what they are allready charging.

Even if it is the same as +Net, you have to remember, +Net have likely provided more services elsewhere on the platform that the other ISP.

Including Fax-2-mail, custom PHP & CGI, MySQL (this is no easy feat), industry standard webstats and even mailing lists.

I can't find any ISPs off hand that even provide half of them.
csogilvie
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Couldn't you try the filtering thing with SA Proxy which is a proxy server into SpamAssassin - it works quite well and I've had very few false positives with it.

I've got it set up here to add [SPAM] to the subject and then Thunderbird moves [SPAM] to a seperate folder.
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Right I've now set up and tested all the necessary mail boxes, sent out notification to the groups who need to know the new address.
Lets see what happens now.
Oh yes and I've removed my email address from my webpages as well.
There is of course a box called postmaster setup to comply with PlusNet T&C