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Peak Usage query

dennisb66
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Posts: 371
Registered: 01-08-2007

Peak Usage query

For the past 3 days i have switched off my PC and Router at mid afternoon untill next morning and yet i am showing the following usage.
Wed 29th 2.98mb
Thu 30th 21.55mb
Fri 01 7.34mb

Should not these readings be 0 as everything is off. I know these are minimal but as I am only approx. 120mb off my 4.0GB max usage these MB are becoming critical.

"HOW CAN I CONTROL WHAT IS NOT CONTROLABLE"
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Registered: 30-07-2007

Peak Usage query

Are those figures the total for the day, in which case would they not include data transferred while the PC/router was on?

Even through your equipment is off, data packets may well still be being sent to your IP address from outside PlusNet and thus counted by the Ellocoyas in your daily traffic allowances.

The data in question will be 'internet noise', port scans, attempted hacking attempts, DoS attempts etc.
dennisb66
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Peak Usage query

The figures refer to my Peak usage only .
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Peak Usage query

If you are not connected, how on earth does it know which gateway to try and send the packets through?
jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler)
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dennisb66
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Peak Usage query

exactly Smiley
dennisb66
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Peak Usage query

I intend to disconnect my router in the next half hour untill morning,then check any recorded PEAK usage again.
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Peak Usage query

PC/router <-> Exchange (BT) <-> BT network (BT) <-> BT Central (BT) <-> ERX gateway (PN) <-> Ellacoya (PN) <-> PN network <-> The Internet

More details here

The above is how you are connected to the internet. It is data coming from the internet addressed to your IP that the Ellocays are detecting as it passes through it, but the traffic gets blocked at the ERX gateway when it does not know where to send it to down the BT Central because you are not connected.
dennisb66
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Peak Usage query

Thanks for that info Peter. :lol:
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When you disconnect won't the IP address be dropped from the routing tables?
jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler)
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Only the router that knows where to route that individual IP will have it dropped. The IP address is still known to come from PN on the internet.

Routing of packets is done on the network part of the IP address - which is what the netmask (Network Mask) is used for. The netmask part of the address allows the internet routers to route the packets to the right network (in this case plusnet) and then internally within PN until it gets the to a router that knows where to route the individual IP address, which is or close to the ERX. At which point the packet is discarded as unroutable if it does not exist in the routing table.
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So a packet goes from the internet to the PN network, how does the PN network then know which ERX to route to?
jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler)
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RIP - routing Information Protocol

and router tables which can also be set-up manually (or via automated systems).

Basically, the routers talk to each other.
MrToast
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Peak Usage query

But if I do a tracert to a PN fixed IP customer who is not online I don't get any further than the first PN router:

Tracing route to XXXXX.plus.com [84.92.NNN.NNN]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 17 ms 16 ms 17 ms l1.ar03.gs1.dsl.pipex.net [62.241.161.218]
3 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms ge-2-1-3-0.cr01.gs1.dsl.pipex.net [62.241.161.20
5]
4 17 ms 19 ms 18 ms g3-22-3802.cr05.tn5.bb.pipex.net [62.72.141.25]

5 18 ms 18 ms 17 ms v3952.cr05.hx2.bb.pipex.net [62.72.137.10]
6 31 ms 29 ms 51 ms lonap-gw1.plus.net [193.203.5.154]
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
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Peak Usage query

I am having exactly the same problem, except on a bigger scale, in my case the router and pc were turned off for two whole days, but PN have recorded 1GB of usage throughout this period, around 250MB of which is in peak time.

As this is absolutely ridiculous, I have raised a ticket with PN, but after four days I am still awaiting a reply, IF I get one though I will let you know.

In the mean time, if anyone has any more info on this, then please let me know

Thanks
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Peak Usage query

I'm sure I remember seeing this discussion before.
IIRC, the outcome was that the packets sent to your IP while you were offline would not be counted, as you obviously wouldn't be using that bandwidth while you were offline. It would be especially unfair to PAYG customers who are paying per GB, and I doubt PN would be able to justify it as usage by the customer to anyone (OFT etc).