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In support of PlusNet's Usenet policy

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In support of PlusNet's Usenet policy

There's been a lot of whinging about PlusNet applying traffic-shaping to NNTP usenet feeds. It's getting irritating now. So I thought I'd speak up for those of us that have little sympathy with the whingers.

The truth is that the most popular binary newsgroups (which are what causes the strain on available bandwidth) are used for the illegal (violation of copyright) distribution of software, movies and music. The same goes for peer to peer file sharing.

The way people are carrying on with their complaints, you would think that they were enaged in lawful activity. But, for the most part, I don't think they are. I realise that PlusNet can't get involved in discussion of what is legal content, and what is illegal content because that opens a whole can of worms with respect to ISPs policing content. But, it's inconceivable that most people using NNTP and P2P are acting legally, given that most of the data distributed by these methods is illegal.

Now, I'm not saying that *all* people who download a lot of data via P2P and NNTP are acting illegally; they're not. But the rest of you: please, don't take us all as idiots. The holier than thou rantings about "being lied to by PlusNet about unlimited service" are more than a bit rich...
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Simon,

I hear you, but, I bought my internet service to provide just that, access to the internet, not just http. When it takes me 5 to 10 seconds just to retrieve a single text article, I get frustrated and annoyed, especially when I pay extra for what is termed the "premier" service. If it was just Plus Nets servers that were giving slow speeds fair enough, I see the plus net usenet servers as an extra bonus. But we are talking all NNTP servers, even ones I have paid extra for.

Please understand, some people don't use the connection for mainly http and email, some people use other services and when those other services are restricted to sub isdn speeds it is extremely annoying.

You were probably trying to be very diplomatic in your approach but you came across really as if you were stereotyping all those who dont use mainly for http and email as bandwidth hogs and law breakers, which we are not.

Even the cheap "supermarket" ISP's allow NNTP access at full speed.

Chris
Sandro
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The truth is that the most popular binary newsgroups (which are what causes the strain on available bandwidth) are used for the illegal (violation of copyright) distribution of software, movies and music. The same goes for peer to peer file sharing.

You've fogotten to add "In My Humble Opinion"...
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But the rest of you: please, don't take us all as idiots.
"Us"?
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I use the internet for watching a lot of online content. I watch a lot of legal cricket matches on the internet and they last for 8 hours and more. There is talk of internet television and high definition broadcast. i regularly follow online video content from various news servers .... we are going to use internet for broadband telephony .... i regularly share a lot of personal photos and videos with many family and friends.......

HOW IS PLUSNET GOING TO RESPOND TO THE FUTURE OF INTERNETHuh?
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The above post is very valid. The way the internet is progressing with it's tv streaming etc the limits in place will make the whole online experience hell!!
mitchell20
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I use the internet for watching a lot of online content. I watch a lot of legal cricket matches on the internet and they last for 8 hours and more. There is talk of internet television and high definition broadcast. i regularly follow online video content from various news servers .... we are going to use internet for broadband telephony .... i regularly share a lot of personal photos and videos with many family and friends.......

HOW IS PLUSNET GOING TO RESPOND TO THE FUTURE OF INTERNETHuh?


I have to agree with this....and it applies to all UK DSL providers not just Plus.net , as they all getting wrapped up in short-sighted capacity arguements at the moment ...how on earth is Broadband in the UK going to move forward ? More and more content is going to come from the internet in the future. ADSL2+ and other products dont stand a chance of working unless ISP's seriously re-consider the way they sell DSL to customers.
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There's been a lot of whinging about PlusNet


Yes, it has, indeed. And a lot of sniveling and whining. It is because we are ungrateful and immature.
It is not, I repeat, NOT, because traffic shaping and other restrictions are not communicated to the paying customers who, according to PN, are actually not affected, or at least 99.99%. So one worry off our chests,
It is not because aforementioned customers are not receiving the service they actually subscribed to (I for my person was not aware of traffic shaping).

You are right: we should be grateful with what we get for our money and stop to wail around about things we cannot change.

O tempora, o mores!
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I have started a discussion 'Misleading Advertisment' in this forum. Let us have a meaningful debate on this because I seriously think online media content is a driving factor. I would happily pay 30 quid a month if the downloads are not restricted. It is not just downloads it is streaming content which is a problem!!!
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I use the internet for watching a lot of online content. I watch a lot of legal cricket matches on the internet and they last for 8 hours and more. There is talk of internet television and high definition broadcast. i regularly follow online video content from various news servers .... we are going to use internet for broadband telephony .... i regularly share a lot of personal photos and videos with many family and friends.......

HOW IS PLUSNET GOING TO RESPOND TO THE FUTURE OF INTERNETHuh?


You make a valid point. In the future, the average user will need much more bandwidth than they have now. And ISPs will respond... in the future.

But, right now, what we have is ADSL on networks designed around people *sharing* bandwidth. That's the way it works. The truth is, today, *no* ISP can handle a significant percentage of its user base maxing out their connections 24x7. Some people seem to believe that when they sign up for their home broadband connection, they are signing up for their own dedicated 2Mbit/s pipe.
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FYI Check out the Koreans using broadband ... everyone using it to play games/watch multiple channels ...

http://www.chiefexecutive.net/depts/technology/197a.htm
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they are signing up for their own dedicated 2Mbit/s pipe.


Where on earth would people get this impression from, perhaps the way the products are marketed to less "savvy" users ?
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It is not because aforementioned customers are not receiving the service they actually subscribed to (I for my person was not aware of traffic shaping).


Just so we're clear, is it your view that most people that regularly download more than 100GB of data per month via Usenet and/or P2P are mostly downloading legal content?

What service do you think you actually subscribed to? Presumably, you subscribed to a consumer ADSL Broadband service? In which case, you are sharing a network with other people. If a significant number of those people start using their shared connection as personal 2Mbit/s pipes (as they are doing), what do you expect to happen to the service?
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The truth is that the most popular binary newsgroups (which are what causes the strain on available bandwidth) are used for the illegal (violation of copyright) distribution of software, movies and music. The same goes for peer to peer file sharing.


And there are a lot of people that go to newsagents to buy pornography. So should my mum have to queue for half an hour outside to buy her paper because of them?

A lot of people buy bootleg software/CDs and DVDs at car-boot sales (which I wholeheartedly disagree with BTW), but that's no reason to restrict the access to the village green to one car an hour.

There are many legitimate reasons people get binary files from Usenet. If your experience has been otherwise then that's up to you - don't go judging and accusing people of copyright infringement willy-nilly. The gripes about PlusNet's Usenet access are that connection speeds have gone down to about 10% of what they previously were with no warning. Any discussion regarding copyright is a seperate matter altogether.
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FYI Check out the Koreans using broadband ... everyone using it to play games/watch multiple channels ...


Not using ADSL they don't. Unfortunately, the western world is getting very much left behind when it comes to Broadband.
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Just so we're clear, is it your view that most people that regularly download more than 100GB of data per month via Usenet and/or P2P are mostly downloading legal content?


Dunno, and I myself am around 7 to 10 GB.
It's not the limit, I said it before , 30/100GB ain't that bad. It s that PN does not see any need to inform their customers properly.
If I have a limit I would like to know about it. I call this basic customer service.

How one is able to exceed 100GB, I don't know myself. Whether that is legal content or not, is none of my business.
However, I am relieved to see that one member that is above reproach stands up to serve as a beacon for proper use of internet resources.

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What service do you think you actually subscribed to?


I think I can answer that: a service that is not traffic shaped and SUP'd. I was wrong. And it was my fault that I did not find the small prints in the depths of the plusnet web. I expect the the same performance on a 2Mb line as I had with my previous ISP.

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If a significant number of those people start using their shared connection as personal 2Mbit/s pipes (as they are doing), what do you expect to happen to the service?


Well what happens depends on the provider who is being paid by his customers to take care of these things. Well, at least that my superstition.