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I was just wondering what Force9's policy was on Downloaded Material.
I know that some organisations contact ISPs with IP addresses of people who download illegal material (i.e music / videos etc) but some ISPs do not disclose this information.
As ive read alot of people download up to hundreds of gb's a month so im sure some of this is illegal.
I know some ISPs dont disclose IP address information because its their customers and they dont want to loose their customers etc.

I was just wondering how Force9 stood with this?
im sure force9 doesnt condone downloading such material, but will they disclose IP information?

Adam
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I'm going to move this thread to Customer Feedback since its not really an idea / suggestion, and it may mean that a member of the support team will see it.
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Hi Adam,

As far as what you download, we don't really take any interest.

What I will say is that we don't pass any of your details on to a third party unless it is required under the law.

For example, in the past we've been contacted by people like the MPAA in the US. In these cases the only action we've done is pass the MPAA's email on to the customer and advise the MPAA of this. At no point would we provide the MPAA with any of the customers' details.

As I say the only times we pass on customer contact details is with the appropriate legal request from the police for example investigating child pornography distribution.
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I would like to point out, ISP's in the UK have a legal obligation to have the ability to monitor their users at the request of the Home Secretary, as in if the home office says "please monitor customer X" F9 will be legally obliged to monitor you, and not tell you that they are doing so. This is something I totally agree with, as any person sick enough to download kiddy stuff, deserves to be monitored, locked up, chemically castrated, then fed to Hanibal Lecter.

As for copyright material, the UK Recording industry isnt so... vicious as the US versions, but if they feel someone is a major distributor of illegal copyrighted work, they could be able to go to the courts to ask F9 to reveal who the person is so they can start legal proceedings against them.
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I would like to point out, ISP's in the UK have a legal obligation to have the ability to monitor their users at the request of the Home Secretary, as in if the home office says "please monitor customer X" F9 will be legally obliged to monitor you, and not tell you that they are doing so. This is something I totally agree with, as any person sick enough to download kiddy stuff, deserves to be monitored, locked up, chemically castrated, then fed to Hanibal Lecter..


Totally agree, i second that.

I just thought id ask anyway.

Smiley
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I'm not saying anyone is downloading illegal material, etc.

I agree with dgwebb and F9 that people that do download child pornagraphy should be serverly dealt with. Know that if anyone tried to do anything sick like that to my daughter, I know what I would do to them if I caught them, doesn't matter what happens to me, as long as she is safe.

Ideally it would be good if F9 actually blocked access to them type of sites.

But back to the original post it does sound odd for someone to actually ask the question about downloading illegal material, unless they actually felt guilty about something or worried what would happen if they get caught.....
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Ideally it would be good if F9 actually blocked access to them type of sites.


BT iirc do block some known networks, but the only way that kind of thing would work, would be for F9 to know about the sites in question to block them, and they couldnt visit them to check as that would be illegal (i.e. any F9 employee who visits site X that contains kiddy material, is breaking the law, even if its to verify the content is there to block the site), so there would need to be a central database of the sites, which would raise the question as to why the sites still exist.

As for sites that promote copyright material, again the court is out on that, can F9 block bittorrent sites when bittorent is used for legal shareware/trial stuff? It really isnt an ISP's job to monitor the internet, just its users at the request of the Home Office, big brother CAN watch you if big brother so desires
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Ideally it would be good if F9 actually blocked access to them type of sites.




As for sites that promote copyright material, again the court is out on that, can F9 block bittorrent sites when bittorent is used for legal shareware/trial stuff?


now why would you want to do that!?

bit torrent is used for alot of downloading legal material.
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Blocking morally doubious sites

Hi,

Its all very well talking about illegal material of a doubious moral nature but nobody in this thread has mentioned terrorist websites, extremist right wing neo narzi sites, nobody has mentioned fascist sites were information is given on techniques and methods of bomb making, nobody has mentioned gun or weapon sites or sites were knives or combat weapons can be bought?? How about we block these sites too?? In my personal opinion these websites and the thinking behined them are equally morally bankrupt yet these sites are NOT treated with the same fury as child porn why??

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Ideally it would be good if F9 actually blocked access to them type of sites.




As for sites that promote copyright material, again the court is out on that, can F9 block bittorrent sites when bittorent is used for legal shareware/trial stuff?


now why would you want to do that!?

bit torrent is used for alot of downloading legal material.


thats what I said, BT is used for legal downloads, iirc WoW Beta was released on the BT network.

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but nobody in this thread has mentioned terrorist websites, extremist right wing neo narzi sites, nobody has mentioned fascist sites were information is given on techniques and methods of bomb making, nobody has mentioned gun or weapon sites or sites were knives or combat weapons can be bought?? How about we block these sites too??


The freedom of speech is highly held in the UK, people have the right to their opinion no matter how distasteful that opinion is to the rest of us, sure there are laws against some stuff, but the moment we start curtailing peoples rights to their beliefs, is the first step to censorship of our civil liberties.
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And herein lies the problem for the ISP's.

I think we can all agree that child pornography is wrong, but as Ivan says what about a right wing neo nazi site? To be involved in child porn is illegal, but it isn't illegal to be a right wing neo nazi (you could debate the rights and wrongs of this all day, but we won't).

One thing I can say is that we are currently conducting an internal trial of some "PlusNet Parental Control" software, but I don't have much more information yet.