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zpeterk
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Posts: 377
Registered: 14-04-2007

School email

Our daughter came home with a form from school to be signed by us to allow her to "learn to use email" , which she already knows. The way they are doing it is webmail so anyone on the planet can access the mail server and they are using addresses of the format

"firstname-lastname@schoolname.primary.sch.uk"

with everybody in the class with the same password.

To me this doesn't seem a good way for them to learn about security as anyone in the class can use anybody's account if they choose to.

I have said no to it at the moment and I just want to know am I being over zealous. Every other child in the class has approval and she is now feeling left out.

Thanks
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Alecto
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Posts: 2,886
Registered: 30-07-2007

School email

My view, as a cat owner, is to give your permission so she's not left out.
No point in making her a martyr for your principles.

She won't do anything that matters on there anyway, but explain to her that with the same password, anybody can get her mail. And if she's old enough to understand, tell her a bit about security and tell her to keep it to herself.

This strikes me as a daft waste of our money and the children's time, but then at least it keeps them away from political correctness.

So don't be a meanie, say yes.
Why not ring the teacher and complain, if you really want your child ostracised? :lol:
Denzil
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Registered: 31-07-2007

School email

Personally I would let her join in, but also explain your concerns to the teacher or whoever is in charge of IT. The staff should supervise properly, apply some censorship to what is said (no addresses to be given out, for instance) and make sure everyone uses their own names.
rja66
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Registered: 31-07-2007

School email

It's not so much the e-mail that would concern me but the access to the internet they get without correct supervision. As parents how do we know what safeguards are in place and what sites they get to surf whilst un-supervised?
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School email

I have a funny feeling that there will be some serious content-checking and proxying long before anything gets to your daughter, and that some serious oversight of messages will take place...because that is what I would want to know before I agreed to my children using the internet.

I know what you mean though, zpeterk. When my daughter brought home the same kind of letter I was initially horrified, but then I remembered the kind of safeguards in place on my "work" connection, and then I was reasonably reassured. It is really important that you don't put your child in a position of being ostracised, they have enough problems in forming constructive relationships in school without us parents sticking our oars in! I'm sure a quiet word to the headteacher should provide you with some idea of what safeguards are in place.

As for the passwords: teachers aren't sysadmins, it needs to be pretty simple.
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ske1fr,

LOL, that last line of yours has not but a great deal of faith in me and our education system. If a teacher is unable to give each child a different password ( and log it in their own way ) then boy are our kids in trouble lol.

No but seriously now, if it is a half decent school they will have a dedicated person/store/IT support tech to call out who will have made sure that content is monitored and censored where needed. Afterall, we are talking about kids here and they are very inpresionable.
I dont think any half whitted school would run the risk of exposing children to the full world wide web and run the risk of suffering at the hand of outraged parents should anything happen or word get round that no safeguards are in place.

My son is 3 years old, he has been using computers since he was old enough to touch a keyboard. My attitude is that I will monitor but not completely disable his ability to use the web. Trust me when I say he knows his way around lol, cbeebies is like our house to him and occasionally he wanders off track but not before using the home button.
If you respect your children, your children will respect you Wink

Regards,
shellsong
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Posts: 2,191
Registered: 03-08-2007

School email

My son has been using computers since he was 3 and is now in his 2nd year at Uni-- an anarchistic hacker with a penchant for open source software! :lol: So watch out Tom!

Gerry
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School email

Bit late to post, but as I work for Norfolk Education Dept in the LEA IT dept, I can tell you that no matter what we do someone will complain.

The passwords are too short
The passwords are too long
The passwords are offensive ('odour', I'm told is unacceptable.)
The passwords are too difficult to spell (and this from a high school.)

One school asked me to change the 4-8 letter passwords for the entire school to the same thing. I managed to compromise with some numbers tagged on the end, but when the schools stick a ruddy great post it note on the office PC with the admin password in large black felt tip...

We get teachers who complain that google images is blocked, yep never mind the porn we need it whitelisted for a lesson. :roll:

One I got today, 'Should we take the backups off-site?'
"No, just leave it on top of the sever that sits underneath the leaking.air conditioning unit next to the faulty distribution board, it'll be fine..."

*I should point out that there are some very good schools with decent it staff, its the smaller ones who don't have IT pros that tend to get in muddles.

Jay
zpeterk
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Posts: 377
Registered: 14-04-2007

School email

I resolved by a compromise, she is now using her own gmail account via web mail – all sorted and everyone happy!
Alecto
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Registered: 30-07-2007

School email

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*I should point out that there are some very good schools with decent it staff, its the smaller ones who don't have IT pros that tend to get in muddles.



A nice objective comment from an IT pro :lol:
csogilvie
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Registered: 04-04-2007

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We get teachers who complain that google images is blocked, yep never mind the porn we need it whitelisted for a lesson. :roll:


Ooh, we're not the only place that has that blocked then...
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yep but have you also blocked ask.com and all the meta searches as well?

(we managed to leave that one open for a bit longer, before someone realised. Shockedops: )

Jay
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Again a bit late but you could always ask the school to also teach them about security. All three of my kids have used the net since they were babies (thanks dad) and my youngest two have been avid users of the CBeebies website since they were 2. All three of them are good with MSN Messenger all though at 3 my youngest needs a lot of help because he doesn't yet recognise how letters make a word. I have been really impressed at how well my 6 and 8 year old have been able to master MSN so quickly and it has enabled them to get to know my friends after a fashion when they are here for contact.