Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
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Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 4:27 PM
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Here are my stats before and after switching the router directly to the test socket and removing the phone splitter.
Data rate (Kbps)up/down 448/4288 448/7616
Noise margin (dB) up/down 11/10 11/25
Attenuation (dB) up/down 54/... 27/...
I am assuming a bigger noise margin is better? I don't know why there is no downstream attenuation reading, my router just tells me it is ---dB. Is this normal?
Thanks
Luke
Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 4:41 PM
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Also plugging into the test socket makes an enormous difference.
The first question is - were both tests done with the same cable and filter connecting the router to the box.
If they were the odds are that the lower faceplate is knackered so replacing it would/should fix the problem. Even though you apparently have no internal wiring the ADSL Nation filtered faceplate would work and you wouldn't need a separate filter.
Just to be sure though you should check again with the faceplate attached and without a telephone connected as it might just be your router playing up
Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 4:47 PM
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Quote When i remove my existing faceplate, there are no visible wires connected to it, it comes straight off. The only thing that it is connected to is the text socket, which it just pushes into. Is this normal?
Its normal if you don't have any extension sockets.
Quote Will the new faceplate push in place in the same way, or do i need to rewire the whole box?
It just plugs in place of the old faceplate.
Quote And will the new faceplate be able to filter the signal properly if it is coming from a single test socket rather than separate wires?
Yes, its designed to do just that.
Assuming you don't have any extensions ( as you don't appear to have any wires attached to the existing faceplate ) then it sounds like you either have a bad connection on the existing faceplate OR a faulty filter ( you did say you removed the filter when connected to the test socket ? ).
It may be that removing and reinserting the faceplate may make the connector 'better' , have you checked the stats again with the faceplate back on?.
Note that its not a good idea to do a lot of disconnecting and reconnecting in a short period, the BT exchange will think you have a bad connection and increase the target noise margin.
Edit , its appears that Jim types faster than me....
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Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 9:13 PM
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To clarify, how did you connect "direct" to the test socket? Did you use a different cable or is this the same one as you plugged into the filter?
The Filtered faceplate you've mentioned will do away with any need for plug in filters and is ideal if at anytime you want to install extension sockets for phones/faxes/sky etc or even a dedicated remote ADSL socket for the modem/router.
Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 9:38 PM
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Quote which means that you don't have any other telephone points in the house
This is correct, or rather i do, but they all plug into the faceplate rather than being wired inside, i'll explain;
At the moment i have a standard BT faceplate with a single socket. Into this plugs a splitter thingy, which is almost certainly the source of the problem. It looks something like the one below, except that there is also a wire that comes out of the bottom of it. This leads into our kitchen, where we have a little extension box which our phone plugs into.
Going back to the original splitter, there is also an extension cable plugged into this. This goes up through the ceiling and ends up by our main computer, where it leads into another little extension box. Our router plugs into this. When i did the test i simply removed the splitter, (and esentially removing all the wiring for our phone), and plugged the extension that goes upstairs into the test socket. I have since tried plugging this cable into the faceplate and the results are the same, so it is the dodgy splitter that is causing the problem. I could just replace the splitter, but it sticks out quite a lot and gets hit by the sofa quite a lot, so a new faceplate would be much more durable and tidy.
If i did get the filtered faceplate then presumably i would need to install a new cable (whatever the ADSL plug uses) in place of the wire that goes upstairs. This isn't a problem, but how expensive is that cable? I'm guessing i'd need about 5m.
Cheers guys
Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 9:51 PM
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It's not the splitter that's the problem, it's the bundle of wiring you're plugging in. I'll just post this, then come back and explain more.
Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 10:00 PM
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22-11-2009 10:07 PM
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But in any event do you not have a filter plugged in for that phone in the kitchen? If not that will be the reason for the attenuation changes and more to the point the drop in sync speed!
I'll post back with information on the best way to do this, you will not need to plug anything in, it will be wired to the back of the new plate, as you also said the sofa keep hitting there, you don't want anything sticking out.
Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 10:21 PM
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Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 10:23 PM
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Quote from: riemanrez how expensive is that cable? I'm guessing i'd need about 5m.
Cheap as chips. But you MUST use proper CW1308 phone cable which is twisted pair and ONLY use one matched coloured pair.
No doubt Anotherone will be along to give chapter & verse in due course.
I guess you'll need to buy a socket (and mounting plate) to go on the end of the cable as well.
All available in most DIY shops/sheds.
Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
22-11-2009 11:05 PM
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you will need cable - http://www.adslnation.com/phpapps/catalog/product_reviews.php?cPath=21&products_id=96 . It's cheap enough so get a few metres spare to 1) go from your new plate upstairs to an ADSL socket for the Router and 2) go from your new plate to your kitchen to a standard BT tyoe socket for your phone.
Cable clips (3.5mm) - http://www.adslnation.com/phpapps/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=38&products_id=136
An IDC tool - http://www.adslnation.com/phpapps/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=93
Unfortunately ADSL Nation, don't do the secondary sockets, so -
Go to your nearest telecoms shop, B&Q, Maplins or similar store and get -
A standard BT type Secondary socket LJU3 (for the kitchen phone) similar to - http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/images/phone/LJU3_front_faceplate.jpg with back box,
An RJ11 line jack socket similar to - http://www2.multithread.co.uk/mtcshop/images/linitx.com/products/RJ11_Linejack_Socket_main.jpg for upstairs to plug your modem into.
Wiring information to follow.
Re: Will a Filtered faceplate help with this?
23-11-2009 5:14 PM
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Is there anything else it could be?
I will try to make a map of my wiring so i can better explain.
Also, will the quality of the wiring to my phone affect the quality of my ADSL signal, because it's a lot of effort to replace all of the cabling into the kitchen if it's not going to change anything.
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23-11-2009 5:59 PM
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23-11-2009 6:11 PM
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As for reply #12, yes follow that ok, it's the way it's all connected up is the problem, so depending on the answer to the question, I'll tell you how to modify it.
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23-11-2009 6:23 PM
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