Sync drops when phone rings (subject was "Is this a record?)
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Re: Is this a record?
28-03-2013 10:06 AM
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I'm totally unimpressed by the response I got and the ticket 67608452 raised as result of the call. It's been opened and closed and I'm not at all sure it would have let the faults guys know what had happened. I'd have expected him to add the update to the already running fault ticket and returned that ticket to the faults team.
I'm now in the local library to update the ticket and post this.
This will show the current state of my connection:
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Re: Is this a record?
28-03-2013 2:15 PM
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If this isn't fixed by Tuesday I'll have to commute daily to London to be able to work, which means catching a train at 6:12 am, getting home at 7:45 pm at the earliest and will cost me over £90 a day. Normally a few days off-line wouldn't be too bad, but this has come at the worst time possible when I've a load of work with a really tight deadline.
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Re: Is this a record?
28-03-2013 2:24 PM
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I've just got Steve from our Faults Team to pick this up straight away for you. Looms as though we're going to need to get an engineer tasked out.
Steve will be in touch with you very shortly, he'll need 10 or so minutes to read through the history to ensure he is up to speed. Steve will be taking personal ownership of your ticket too. If, for any reason Steve is out of the office, it will fall back to myself.
Re: Is this a record?
28-03-2013 2:27 PM
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Re: Is this a record?
28-03-2013 2:30 PM
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Re: Is this a record?
28-03-2013 6:22 PM
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Internet back on when I got home. Looks like it came on mid afternoon.
Now to check if the dropping connection on an incoming phone call is fixed.
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Re: Is this a record?
28-03-2013 10:07 PM
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Re: Is this a record?
31-03-2013 10:36 AM
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Re: Is this a record?
31-03-2013 11:18 AM
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Re: Is this a record?
31-03-2013 12:20 PM
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At least your sync speed gives you a 7Mbps profile (unless things have got worse). I've just lost ½Mbps as the drops were after dark
Checked all my connections and swapped filters, no noise on the line - audible or otherwise. The exchange equipment must have shrunk in the cold
Re: Is this a record?
31-03-2013 2:10 PM
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Re: Is this a record?
01-04-2013 11:19 AM
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Quote from my ticket on the day I raised the fault:
Quote Connection has been dropping when the phone rings.
Your Response
12:31pm, Wednesday 20 Mar 2013
Connection has been dropping when the phone rings.
I've connected to the test socket - it still happens.
With the filter in the test socket I disconnected the phone totally, rang my number using my mobile and the connection dropped.
NB The loss of sync is usually so short that the PPP session does not drop so it is not showing on the radius log.
So what do I get today?
Quote **internal**
<removed> - BOT - DSL Logged Faults
10:12am, Monday 1 Apr 2013
TESTING
Profile: 6dB/Fast
WP profile: Generic Speed 6500 No Time Out
CLT: The Line associated with the provided Service id is currently in Fault.
xDSL status check:
RADIUS:
Summary: Line is stable, phone fault open.
Kind regards,
<removed>
Quote Dear Mr xxx,
<removed> - BOT - DSL Logged Faults
10:14am, Monday 1 Apr 2013
Thanks for getting back to us, I have retested your line and can see the connection has been stable for over 3 days. Also there is a phone fault open with your phone supplier so we are unable to complete testing. Once they have rectified and closed the phone fault please get back to us if you still experience issues.
Please do not hesitate to get back in touch online at http://contactus.plus.net or by phone on 0800 432 0200 if we can be of further assistance.
Kind regards,
<removed>
[Sms Message: Thanks for getting back to us, I have retested your line and can see the connection has been stable for over 3 days. Also there is a phone fault open with your phone supplier so we are unable to complete testing. Once they have rectified and closed the phone fault please get back to us if you still experience issues.]
(The phone fault is because yesterday all outgoing calls, after a long delay, were giving an engaged tone)
I've responded:
Quote Please stop looking at just the PPP drops (as reported by Radius) and check BT's system for loss of sync as well.
Your Response
10:57am, Monday 1 Apr 2013
We don't get many incoming calls but here are some recent entries from my Router log:
<173> Mar 29 16:31:00 xDSL linestate down
<173> Mar 29 16:31:13 xDSL linestate up (ITU-T G.992.1; downstream: 7680 kbit/s, upstream: 832 kbit/s; output Power Down: 19.8 dBm, Up: 12.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 21.0 dB, Up: 13.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 6.1 dB, Up: 12.0 dB)
<173> Mar 31 10:42:51 xDSL linestate down
<173> Mar 31 10:43:05 xDSL linestate up (ITU-T G.992.1; downstream: 7616 kbit/s, upstream: 832 kbit/s; output Power Down: 19.8 dBm, Up: 12.4 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 21.0 dB, Up: 13.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 6.1 dB, Up: 12.0 dB)
These correspond to the last incoming calls. These are not shown in Visual radius.
I've just tried ringing my home phone from my mobile three times - the last time I didn't pick up the receiver:
<173> Apr 1 10:46:32 xDSL linestate down
<173> Apr 1 10:46:45 xDSL linestate up (ITU-T G.992.1; downstream: 7616 kbit/s, upstream: 832 kbit/s; output Power Down: 19.9 dBm, Up: 12.5 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 21.0 dB, Up: 13.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 6.1 dB, Up: 12.0 dB)
<173> Apr 1 10:48:03 xDSL linestate down
<173> Apr 1 10:48:18 xDSL linestate up (ITU-T G.992.1; downstream: 7552 kbit/s, upstream: 832 kbit/s; output Power Down: 19.9 dBm, Up: 12.3 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 21.0 dB, Up: 13.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 6.1 dB, Up: 12.0 dB)
<173> Apr 1 10:49:12 xDSL linestate down
<173> Apr 1 10:49:26 xDSL linestate up (ITU-T G.992.1; downstream: 7616 kbit/s, upstream: 832 kbit/s; output Power Down: 19.9 dBm, Up: 12.2 dBm; line Attenuation Down: 21.0 dB, Up: 13.5 dB; snr Margin Down: 6.1 dB, Up: 12.0 dB)
Please, please, please will someone educate the faults team that it is possible to have a dropping connection (loss of sync) which will disrupt a VPN session or a VoIP call but doesn't show up in the radius log (and hence visual radius).
Edit: Occurs to me that a 15 second break in all traffic wouldn't be great for gaming either!
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Re: Is this a record?
01-04-2013 11:56 AM
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I've got Steve to pick this back up for you under his personal ownership.
I've noted the feedback down and I'll pass this onto the Faults Managers to manage internally. You should receive a further update on the ticket shortly.
Re: Is this a record?
02-04-2013 9:31 AM
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BUT what I did observe was that every instance was apparently due to a loss of Upstream sync evidenced by the Bits/Tone plots where there was significant gaps and swaps on those tones. Downstream was quite normal.
So the hypothesis is that when there is a resync that was caused by loss of Upstream, threre's no loss of PPP session.
That's why I asked about the US bit swapping earlier.
Re: Is this a record?
02-04-2013 10:02 AM
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