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Noise Margin
12-11-2009 10:24 PM
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The problem I seem to have is that intermittently the router will connect at a reasonably low speed (around 4000-4500kbps) which gives me a line speed of 3.5Mbps. However the SNR on this seems to be reasonably high (even at peak times it's around 8-10dB). However if I try to reconnect the router it generally connects around 5.5-6.5Mbps with an SNR that fluctuates between 2-6dB (and sometimes lower) - obviously not bound to be stable!
I'd be happy if I could get the line speed to around 4Mbps, however as I've said, whenever I try to force the router to reconnect it connects at a much faster speed with a stupidly low SNR.
Is there any way to fix this or to ensure the line is more stable?
Re: Noise Margin
12-11-2009 10:56 PM
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Otherwise, it's a case of pick a suitable time of day/night to resync. Do you know what the SNRM is immediately after a resync?
Can you post your current ADSL line stats from the router.
Beware resyncing too many times in a short time interval, the exchange DLM will think your line is unstable!
Re: Noise Margin
12-11-2009 11:22 PM
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In your case, because you are seeing SNRs of 6dB and 8->10dB, this is not because BT have changed your target SNR but more likely to do with fluctuations in your lines quality and thus SNR. SNR will vary throughout the day and for noisy lines can fluctuate a lot. Bad weather (i.e. rain & wind) can also affect SNR
So in your case BT have not changed the target SNR so you can't get it changed via a ticket. With what you ave said, BT are more likely to want to increase the target SNR to 9dB with a resultant loss of sync rate. BT will always try and sync to the target SNR but this can change and thus affect sync rates.
Re: Noise Margin
12-11-2009 11:45 PM
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Current line stats are:
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 5632 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 40 db 13 db
Noise Margin 2 db 21 db
The downstream noise margin is fluctuating between 1 and 3dB. If the noise on the line is causing the noise margin to drop from maybe a 6dB connection down to 1-3dB, that might suggest going for a target SNR of 9dB. The issue is I'm not in during the day (the router is left on) so I'm going to try f8lure to see what the line does when I'm not here.
Re: Noise Margin
13-11-2009 12:03 AM
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One thing I can say is you should have a higher SNRM for that attenuation and sync which implies you are picking up a lot of noise.
Can you briefly describe your installation. What type of Master socket (is it the NTE5a LineBox), do you have extension wiring and sockets? etc.What type of phones, sky box connected via a filter?
Also, if you listen to your phone line, can you hear any crackling or other intermittent noises?
Re: Noise Margin
13-11-2009 10:34 AM
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The phone line seems fine, no crackling that I've noticed. I don't think I have the powers (it's a Netgear DG834Gv3), at least I've never seen them available on any of the router screens.
I think the extension may be my failing - when I get my new laptop I'm tempted to stick a wireless dongle in the HTPC (although Vista isn't always reliable at picking up wireless!) which should eliminate the need for the extension (though the TV does have an ethernet port in it, though I'm told that it's not currently used, but may be used in the future).
Re:Noise Margin
13-11-2009 12:43 PM
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Quote I was thinking of trying tonight to connect the router directly to the master socket and checking the stats on a wireless laptop.
Definitely worth trying this before anything else, extension leads can cause chaos with broadband connections.
Re: Noise Margin
13-11-2009 1:01 PM
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Re: Noise Margin
13-11-2009 1:46 PM
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well snarf I was going to say something similar, the reason for doing it between 9am -3pm is that noise levels are generally lower. However, that said, because your last sync was at 9pm last night and your SNRM was dipping to 2db, I would actually recommend doing it after dark (although there are risks) because if you achieve too high a sync, as you have already observed things won't be stable
It may be (guessing from stats posted) that your target SNRM is still 6dB, the last thing you want is line drops for the exchange to raise the Target, and hence probably get poorer results.
Especially because you have had some drops recently, what I recommend is always power down the modem/router and wait several minutes before disconnecting any line - mastersocket/filter/cable etc. This is so the exchange sees the power down and hopefully doesn't interpret it as a line drop. Wait a good 5 minutes in your case, before unplugging. Don't powerup again until you have finished plugging everything back in.
Don't do this more than 5 times in an hour, and then leave it for the rest of the day.
You really should plug into the "test" socket which is behind the master front plate, unless you have no fixed extension wiring connected to the rear of the front plate - that's the front plate not the rear of the box itself!
Is your extension wire fixed or plugged into the master socket?
Once you have connected to the master/test socket take a set of ADSL line stats immediately after the line syncs. The will give a good indication of the Target SNRM. The only "risk" of doing it when noise levels are higher is that if you happen to sync when the noise dips, and it then comes back after you get a high sync speed your SNRM may plummet.
If things seem fairly stable once connected, leave it alone and post back some more stats later, especially if you spot any larger changes in SNRM, but especially tomorrow morning after 9am.
Tell us more about this extension and why you think it may be "failing".
Re: Noise Margin
13-11-2009 4:19 PM
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I will probably try it both directly plugged into the telephone socket in this room and also the master socket just to see the difference (if there is any). This should then give me an indication of the performance of the extension lead. Will try and remember to post stats later!
Re:Noise Margin
13-11-2009 5:22 PM
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Re: Noise Margin
13-11-2009 5:36 PM
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Socket on other side of room (no extension)
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 5952 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 40 db 13 db
Noise Margin 3 db 24 db
1-3dB variation on SNR
Master Plate off
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 7392 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 40 db 13 db
Noise Margin 6 db 23 db
3-6dB variation on SNR
Socket on front of master plate
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 5888 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 40 db 13 db
Noise Margin 1 db 22 db
0-2dB variation
Inside the master socket the wires are as follows:
Blue and white (wired into 5), blue (into 2) and a red/yellow wire (into 3) connected behind socket, all others (think there was a green and a green/white) disconnected.
Hope that helps!
Re: Noise Margin
13-11-2009 5:42 PM
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My Belkin router.modem shows;
DOWN UP
Data Rate 4864 448
Noise margin 15 26
Output power 19.6 12.4
Attenuation. 44 23.5
Figs from 'My B'band Speed:-
Today 17:27 6402 kbps (800kB/s) 368 kbps (46kB/s)
Today 12:31 6288 kbps (786kB/s) 370 kbps (46.3kB/s)
Today 11:10 44208 kbps (5.53MB/s) 359 kbps (44.9kB/s)
Today 10:50 21936 kbps (2.74MB/s) 364 kbps (45.5kB/s)
Today 10:49 2681 kbps (335kB/s) 364 kbps (45.5kB/s)
Today 10:48 2675 kbps (334kB/s) 363 kbps (45.4kB/s)
Today 10:48 2681 kbps (335kB/s) 368 kbps (46kB/s)
Yest’day 23:55 2668 kbps (334kB/s) 370 kbps (46.3kB/s)
Yest’day 23:54 1991 kbps (249kB/s) 327 kbps (40.9kB/s)
Yest’day 23:53 2668 kbps (334kB/s) 370 kbps (46.3kB
Re: Noise Margin
13-11-2009 6:57 PM
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@snarf,
So you get the best speed when connected to the test socket. This suggests something in your internal wiring is causing the high SNR. Do you have any other extensions in the house and are they connected to the back of the removable lower plate of the master socket or via an extension cable plugged into the front of the master socket?
Are all your phones, faxes, modems, sky boxes etc connected to ADSL filter / splitters?
Re: Noise Margin
13-11-2009 7:01 PM
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