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Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
02-05-2018 6:47 PM
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Indeed there might be, but that does not mean that BT will take it on board with any urgency. It is really good that BT do not run the fire service, for if you had a fire, they'd quibble over if you really needed a fire engine to attend.
It is total madness, BT tell their customers (CPs and ISPs) if they will "entertain" an issue of their creation being escalated. If they say "No" then NOTHING with the CPs or ISPs power is going to change that position.
However the end user writing direct to the CEOs of BT and BTOR does make a difference ... for out of fear of reputational damage to BT additional (otherwise closed) escalation channels might be opened up. Yes I know the contract is with Plusnet and it is up to then to fix, but believe me if BT say "No" there is darned all to be done ... until the user takes matters into their own hands.
That said I have experienced DSO escalation (the highest possible) still fail to do the right thing in a timely manner. Just hope that to replace that 50 pair cable there is no need for tree cutting on joint service (electric) 'telegraph' poles.
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Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
02-05-2018 8:06 PM
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@Dibblah wrote:
"Unfortunately our suppliers have rejected the escalation, so I've re-raised the escalation." - how in a sane and sensible world can this happen?
It's not being escalated for fun, there's still an issue!
Thanks again for your persistence!
No problems, they've accepted the second escalation I've raised.
I'm not sure why the first one was rejected to be honest when it absolutely fit the criteria.
If you can reply to the ticket with your availability for another visit I'll get it booked in tomorrow.
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
03-05-2018 5:51 PM
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I don't have all that much hope, but the line dropped and on coming back up is suddenly rather more spritely. Either BT did something, or we're in for a pointless engineer visit tomorrow followed by tears when it rains next.
Status: UP
Line State: showtime_tc_sync [0x801]
Line Mode: G.992.5 (ADSL2+)
Annex: A
Profile:
Data Rate: 1.144 Mb/s / 446 Kb/s
Max. Attainable Data Rate (ATTNDR): 1.596 Mb/s / 509 Kb/s
Latency: 7.75 ms / 6.75 ms
Line Attenuation (LATN): 66.5 dB / 40.4 dB
Signal Attenuation (SATN): 59.4 dB / 40.1 dB
Noise Margin (SNR): 8.4 dB / 9.9 dB
Aggregate Transmit Power(ACTATP): 15.9 dB / 12.2 dB
Forward Error Correction Seconds (FECS): 54307631 / 12712298
Errored seconds (ES): 4927 / 14485
Severely Errored Seconds (SES): 74 / 373
Loss of Signal Seconds (LOSS): 0 / 19
Unavailable Seconds (UAS): 149 / 149
Header Error Code Errors (HEC): 8317 / 54318
Non Pre-emtive CRC errors (CRC_P): 0 / 0
Pre-emtive CRC errors (CRCP_P): 0 / 0
Line Uptime: 1h 40m 46s
ATU-C System Vendor ID: Broadcom 163.167
Power Management Mode: L0 - Synchronized
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
03-05-2018 8:39 PM - edited 03-05-2018 8:39 PM
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I've requested our suppliers to escalate this with the local operations manager so I do hope that the engineer tomorrow identifies the cause of the problem and either fixes it or arranges for it to be fixed.
I'll follow up when I'm back in the office tomorrow.
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
08-05-2018 3:20 PM
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Our suppliers have advised us to progress the fault we need to arrange another engineer visit.
However I can see that your connection seems to be holding steady recently:
How are things your side?
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
08-05-2018 6:26 PM
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Hi Anoush,
Thanks for your continued support!
In terms of stability, it seems good - although something is still apparently causing consistent FEC errors on the line. Hopefully this engineer will have a magic rabbit.
Cheers,
Allan.
Status: UP
Line State: showtime_tc_sync [0x801]
Line Mode: G.992.5 (ADSL2+)
Annex: A
Profile:
Data Rate: 1.128 Mb/s / 446 Kb/s
Max. Attainable Data Rate (ATTNDR): 1.672 Mb/s / 579 Kb/s
Latency: 8.0 ms / 6.75 ms
Line Attenuation (LATN): 67.1 dB / 40.9 dB
Signal Attenuation (SATN): 61.8 dB / 40.5 dB
Noise Margin (SNR): 10 dB / 10 dB
Aggregate Transmit Power(ACTATP): 16.6 dB / 12.3 dB
Forward Error Correction Seconds (FECS): 608740094 / 14957887
Errored seconds (ES): 2161 / 14487
Severely Errored Seconds (SES): 5 / 373
Loss of Signal Seconds (LOSS): 0 / 19
Unavailable Seconds (UAS): 48 / 48
Header Error Code Errors (HEC): 5355 / 54350
Non Pre-emtive CRC errors (CRC_P): 0 / 0
Pre-emtive CRC errors (CRCP_P): 0 / 0
Line Uptime: 2d 2h 38m 48s
ATU-C System Vendor ID: Broadcom 163.167
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
10-05-2018 11:14 AM
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No problems Allan.
Tests are coming back OK now with your connection very stable:
I think at this point another engineer visit will likely not find a problem.
I've reset your line to remove the banding which was applied as a result of the drops.
Can you check your speeds after about an hour and let us know how your connection is?
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
10-05-2018 12:30 PM
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Not so great,
Thu May 10 10:45:53 2018 daemon.info pppd[30831]: Connect time 0.9 minutes.
Thu May 10 10:47:31 2018 daemon.notice pppd[6599]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Thu May 10 10:51:40 2018 daemon.notice pppd[21769]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Thu May 10 10:53:10 2018 daemon.notice pppd[26797]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Thu May 10 10:53:10 2018 daemon.info pppd[26797]: Connect time 0.2 minutes.
Thu May 10 10:54:58 2018 daemon.info pppd[1056]: Connect time 0.4 minutes.
Thu May 10 11:01:32 2018 daemon.notice pppd[25630]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Thu May 10 11:01:32 2018 daemon.info pppd[25630]: Connect time 0.2 minutes.
Thu May 10 11:05:32 2018 daemon.notice pppd[8242]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Thu May 10 11:09:32 2018 daemon.notice pppd[22694]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Thu May 10 11:11:22 2018 daemon.info pppd[27426]: Connect time 0.5 minutes.
Thu May 10 11:16:12 2018 daemon.notice pppd[2021]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Thu May 10 11:16:12 2018 daemon.info pppd[2021]: Connect time 3.6 minutes.
Thu May 10 11:17:44 2018 daemon.notice pppd[20454]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Thu May 10 11:19:24 2018 daemon.notice pppd[24606]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Thu May 10 11:19:24 2018 daemon.info pppd[24606]: Connect time 0.4 minutes.
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
10-05-2018 12:35 PM
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Speed is down from before the restriction removal (I would assume due to the large volume of disconnects over the past hour). Target SNRM appears to also be low?
Status: UP
Line State: showtime_tc_sync [0x801]
Line Mode: G.992.5 (ADSL2+)
Annex: A
Profile:
Data Rate: 1.184 Mb/s / 446 Kb/s
Max. Attainable Data Rate (ATTNDR): 1.244 Mb/s / 573 Kb/s
Latency: 8.0 ms / 6.75 ms
Line Attenuation (LATN): 66.4 dB / 40.7 dB
Signal Attenuation (SATN): 59.6 dB / 40.5 dB
Noise Margin (SNR): 6.5 dB / 10 dB
Aggregate Transmit Power(ACTATP): 15.8 dB / 12.2 dB
Forward Error Correction Seconds (FECS): 149965 / 4731
Errored seconds (ES): 4476 / 14491
Severely Errored Seconds (SES): 1129 / 373
Loss of Signal Seconds (LOSS): 99 / 19
Unavailable Seconds (UAS): 2545 / 2545
Header Error Code Errors (HEC): 406107 / 54407
Non Pre-emtive CRC errors (CRC_P): 0 / 0
Pre-emtive CRC errors (CRCP_P): 0 / 0
Line Uptime: 13m 18s
ATU-C System Vendor ID: Broadcom 163.167
Power Management Mode: L0 - Synchronized
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
10-05-2018 7:09 PM
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You’ve probably already seen the messages, but I’ve booked another engineer visit in for you tomorrow morning as your connection doesn’t look too good at all since I removed the banding.
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
12-05-2018 7:36 AM
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The BTOR engineer left a note saying that the cable will arrive on Wednesday. Not sure where they are replacing, hopefully the multipair somewhere, not the cable on the property again.
Is there any information on the OR ticket?
Cheers,
Allan.
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
12-05-2018 9:48 AM
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Hi Allan.
Unfortunately the engineer sent the fault report back to us as "right when tested" which basically means no fault found and there's no indication on their notes that they've found a potential problem.
Hopefully the engineer has arranged in the background what they've told you.
In the meantime, our suppliers are going to submit a tie pair modification order which is basically like a lift and shift, moving your circuit to a different port at the exchange.
I'll update you when I know when this'll take place.
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
12-05-2018 10:19 AM
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Really sorry about this, but I need someone from Openreach to start owning this issue, fixing it and logging their actions appropriately.
When OR physically says something and then logs something COMPLETELY different in the ticket response, this is unacceptable.
I have verbatim copied the note left in the ticket. It includes a mobile phone number.
Once again. Can someone PLEASE own resolution of this issue.
Anoush, I really do appreciate your help and consistent persistence in trying to get this resolved for us. But... Plusnet is our supplier. We should not - once BT accepted that the fault was outwith the property - have had to be involved.
Please. Please. Can We Have The Service We Are Paying For.
Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
12-05-2018 1:48 PM
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Whilst I completely understand and support your sentiment, from bitter experience, BTOR do not accept ownership of anything and even with Plusnet regularly "on their backs" if BTOR say "next update in a week's time..." they will not answer chase queries ... even after DSO escalation (the highest attainable within BTOR) after a direct written complaint to the CEO of BT Group and BT Openreach.
BTOR cannot lie straight in bed!! I spent 3 months waiting for BTOR works which they claimed were held up by a third party ... when in exasperation I made direct contact with the 3rd party (electricity supply Co.) they stated that they had received not such request ... but now they had from me ... they immediately commissioned the work ... after BTOR finally delivered the delayed services ... in the 'drains up' conclusions, they claimed that the major cause of the delays was me "interfering" in the arrangements with their 3rd party.
By all means push for what is right here, but please do not go raising any expectations which BTOR are unlikely to fulfil quickly. To be honest, from what you have shared thus far, I am surprised at just how quickly they have moved to replace the defective 50 pair cable.
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Re: Most engineers ever involved? DSL speed issues progressed to line disconnection - Still not solv
12-05-2018 2:06 PM
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I'm afraid we can't ask an engineer to take ownership, and we aren't allowed to call them directly.
If you have their number it might be worth calling them yourself? Assuming you haven't tried already that is.
I progressed the escalation to team leader level yesterday and they responded advising they would like to try the tie pair modification and wanted confirmation to go ahead. I provided confirmation this morning, it should be started shortly.
If things don't get resolved at this level, we can then escalate it to team manager level. Whilst we need to provide each level a chance to fix the problem, at this point I'm more than happy to escalate it at the first opportunity we have.
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