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Market Confusion
29-12-2009 10:51 PM
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From what I read on Sam Knows, I thought that if an exchange had 4 LLU providers it would become Market 3? I myself am on an old account and won't switch, but if exchanges with 4 LLU providers are only showing up as market 2, then how many market 2's are there that really should be market 3 and as my exchange does have 4 LLU providers, shouldn't it be market 3 anyhow?
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WWHAYL <-- link to my exchange.
The only thing I can think of is from the Ofcom document found here (PDF) which mentions:
those geographic areas covered by exchanges
where there are 2 or 3 Principal Operators present
(actual or forecast) AND exchanges where there are
forecast to be 4 or more Principal Operators but
where the exchange serves less than 10,000
premises
That would suggest a minimum number of 10,000, but the keyword there is "forecast", so if there are 3 providers but forecasts for another to eventually show up sometime soon, it would remain market 2 until the 4th provider signed up.
Anyone help with my confusion?
Re: Market Confusion
30-12-2009 12:21 AM
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Re: Market Confusion
30-12-2009 3:45 AM
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Re: Market Confusion
30-12-2009 8:00 AM
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But it is a nice place out of the Summer season, tried to visit a shop on the harbour front earlier this year, got a Blue Badge - no use. They did have a warehouse in Hayle, but I didnt have the address
Re: Market Confusion
30-12-2009 9:10 AM
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@pierre_pierre, its OFCOM, not BT, that control the list, and they update it fairly rarely (once a year at best).
Re: Market Confusion
30-12-2009 9:26 AM
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Re: Market Confusion
30-12-2009 12:21 PM
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Market 2 : 2 or 3 principal operators AND exchanges where there are 4 or more principal Operators but where the exchange serves less than 10,000 premises.
Sam Knows puts it as:
Market 2 - Exchanges where two or three operators provided broadband services (including BT)
The PlusNet FAQ lists:
Or there's 4 or more forecasted providers and less than 10,000 properties served
So wouldn't it be prudent to remove the "forecasted" from the FAQ so it says "Or there's 4 or more providers and less than 10,000 properties served" as it gives the impression that if there are more than 4 actual providers, and not forecasted then an exchange will switch to Market 3?
--edit
Having a look around, I can see no parity on the classifications of markets!
Helston - only a few more people than Hayle (both smallish towns) M3
Bodmin - about the same people as Hayle (6k) M3
Saltash - More people, 5 providers, M2?
So there is no parity, we have Bodmin that has 6,368 resi, 485 business and 5 LLU being Market 3, Helston with 7,110 resi and 465 business and only 4 providers being Market 3, but Saltash with 7,534 resi and 414 business as well as 5 LLU's being Market 2.
BT rate Saltash higher than Helston and are upgrading their exchange to 21CN in Q4 2010 and Heltson in Q3 2011, the only difference I can see is that the M3's have SDSL from LLU.
So as you can see its very confusing, towns with less than 10k population are M3, other towns with more population and more providers are market 2. I'm quite lost now on what makes a Market 2 a Market 2 and what makes a Market 3 a Market 3, there isn't any sense to it
Re: Market Confusion
30-12-2009 2:00 PM
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After that the exchange becomes unregulated (Market 3) allowing BT to compete on equal terms, no doubt in the face of LLU-provider objections.
Consumers raising the Market classification for particular exchanges with OFCOM (and why not their local MPs?) can't do any harm and would seem to be the way forward to encourage change.
Re: Market Confusion
30-12-2009 2:54 PM
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I'm still unsure why some exchanges which seem to be market 2 (less than 10k) are market 3, and others which appear better (more people, more LLU's) are market 2.
My local MP lives in Hayle, I should bug him about it
Re: Market Confusion
30-12-2009 3:05 PM
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and Buses, now all the ones who made a quick killing are giving up
and trains, look at the mess they are in now. - France,Spain,Italy, Germay, only one
Re: Market Confusion
08-01-2010 7:07 PM
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