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LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
21-04-2014 7:21 PM
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Target Name: steampowered.com
IP: 208.64.202.68
Date/Time: 21/04/2014 18:49:36 to 21/04/2014 19:20:10
Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg Host Name / [IP]
1 1000 0 2 0 0 2 0 home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
2 1000 0 0.0 13 412 27 lo0-central10.ptw-ag04.plus.net [195.166.128.194]
3 1000 0 0.0 13 104 13 link-a-central10.ptw-gw01.plus.net [212.159.2.156]
4 1000 0 0.0 12 55 14 xe-7-2-0.ptw-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.252]
5 1000 85 8.5 13 437 60 te-4-2.car5.London1.Level3.net [217.163.45.249]
6 992 109 11.0 13 172 81 ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.120]
7 964 272 28.2 153 245 156 ae-58-223.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.137]
8 502 78 15.5 151 157 154 ae-42-42.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.70]
9 946 218 23.0 151 219 155 ae-46-46.ebr1.NewYork2.Level3.net [4.69.201.42]
10 991 198 20.0 151 211 154 ae-1-100.ebr2.NewYork2.Level3.net [4.69.135.254]
11 998 238 23.8 151 169 156 ae-2-2.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.69.132.65]
12 1000 251 25.1 152 167 156 ae-6-6.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.140.190]
13 999 164 16.4 151 179 154 ae-3-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.61]
14 998 221 22.1 153 171 156 ae-2-2.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.69.132.53]
15 996 279 28.0 152 255 159 ae-2-52.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.69.147.170]
16 994 273 27.5 153 172 156 CENTURYTEL.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.59.232.74]
17 997 225 22.6 153 235 156 [205.196.6.37]
18 837 212 25.3 153 225 157 208-64-202-24.valve.net [208.64.202.24]
19 990 223 22.5 153 169 157 208-64-202-68.valve.net [208.64.202.68]
Target Name: lb-lsg-prod.ubisoft.com
IP: 216.98.48.56
Date/Time: 21/04/2014 18:42:25 to 21/04/2014 19:21:46
Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg Host Name / [IP]
1 1000 0 0.0 0 1 0 home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
2 1000 0 0.0 13 370 27 lo0-central10.ptw-ag04.plus.net [195.166.128.194]
3 1000 0 0.0 13 32 13 link-a-central10.ptw-gw01.plus.net [212.159.2.156]
4 1000 0 0.0 12 51 14 xe-7-2-0.ptw-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.252]
5 1000 105 10.5 13 785 62 te-3-4.car5.London1.Level3.net [217.163.45.181]
6 443 128 28.9 13 27 17 ae-51-51.csw1.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.88]
7 358 3 0.8 13 82 14 ae-118-3504.edge3.London1.Level3.net [4.69.166.142]
8 1000 39 3.9 13 43 13 ix-20-0.tcore1.LDN-London.as6453.net [195.219.83.101]
9 1000 283 28.3 105 124 108 if-17-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130.129]
10 1000 260 26.0 108 127 111 if-2-2.tcore2.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.131.1]
11 1000 306 30.6 106 190 112 if-20-2.tcore2.NYY-New-York.as6453.net [216.6.99.13]
12 1000 298 29.8 106 121 109 if-12-6.tcore1.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net [216.6.99.46]
13 998 242 24.2 106 121 109 if-22-2.tcore2.CT8-Chicago.as6453.net [64.86.79.1]
14 1000 233 23.3 106 121 109 if-3-2.tcore1.W6C-Montreal.as6453.net [66.198.96.45]
Destination not reached in 35 hops
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
21-04-2014 8:39 PM
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Quote Ping statistics for 208.64.202.68:
Packets: Sent = 195, Received = 195, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 176ms, Maximum = 563ms, Average = 336ms
Tracert does suggests a issue with level3 in London.
Quote Tracing route to steampowered.com [208.64.202.68]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 100 ms 54 ms 97 ms 192.168.1.254
2 28 ms 31 ms 27 ms lo0-central10.ptw-ag02.plus.net [195.166.128.196]
3 28 ms 26 ms 26 ms link-b-central10.ptw-gw02.plus.net [212.159.2.150]
4 28 ms 31 ms 26 ms xe-0-2-0.ptw-cr02.plus.net [212.159.0.250]
5 27 ms 26 ms 26 ms ae2.ptw-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.4]
6 27 ms 26 ms 26 ms ae1.pcl-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.1]
7 28 ms 26 ms 26 ms xe-11-2-0.edge3.London2.Level3.net [212.187.201.213]
8 299 ms 304 ms 305 ms vl-3201-ve-128.ebr2.London2.Level3.net [4.69.202.177]
9 485 ms 304 ms 305 ms ae-43-43.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.159.90]
10 406 ms 304 ms 305 ms ae-61-61.csw1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.78]
11 407 ms 303 ms 304 ms ae-62-62.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.93]
12 405 ms 305 ms 304 ms ae-43-43.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.137.58]
13 411 ms 304 ms 304 ms ae-47-47.ebr2.Washington12.Level3.net [4.69.202.58]
14 403 ms 304 ms 304 ms ae-6-6.ebr2.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.148.146]
15 303 ms 442 ms 327 ms ae-1-100.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.132.113]
16 495 ms 328 ms 214 ms ae-3-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.61]
17 363 ms 347 ms 281 ms ae-2-2.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.69.132.53]
18 185 ms 221 ms 176 ms ae-2-52.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.69.147.170]
19 258 ms 305 ms 305 ms CENTURYTEL.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.59.232.74]
20 410 ms 305 ms 305 ms 205.196.6.37
21 285 ms 304 ms 203 ms 208-64-202-24.valve.net [208.64.202.24]
22 424 ms 305 ms 304 ms 208-64-202-68.valve.net [208.64.202.68]
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
21-04-2014 8:58 PM
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Pinging steampowered.com [208.64.202.68] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 208.64.202.68: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=46
Reply from 208.64.202.68: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=46
Reply from 208.64.202.68: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=46
Reply from 208.64.202.68: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=46
Ping statistics for 208.64.202.68:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 155ms, Maximum = 155ms, Average = 155ms
trace route
Tracing route to steampowered.com [208.64.202.68]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms 1 ms 1 ms dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
2 28 ms 18 ms 14 ms lo0-central10.ptw-ag04.plus.net [195.166.128.194
]
3 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms link-a-central10.ptw-gw01.plus.net [212.159.2.15
6]
4 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms xe-7-2-0.ptw-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.252]
5 * * 14 ms te-3-4.car5.London1.Level3.net [217.163.45.181]
6 154 ms 154 ms 155 ms ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.120]
7 153 ms 153 ms 153 ms ae-57-222.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.133]
8 154 ms 154 ms 154 ms ae-44-44.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.78]
9 153 ms 152 ms 153 ms ae-48-48.ebr1.NewYork2.Level3.net [4.69.201.50]
10 154 ms 153 ms 153 ms ae-1-100.ebr2.NewYork2.Level3.net [4.69.135.254]
11 154 ms 154 ms 154 ms ae-2-2.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.69.132.65]
12 153 ms 153 ms 153 ms ae-6-6.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.140.190]
13 153 ms 153 ms 156 ms ae-3-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.61]
14 154 ms 154 ms 153 ms ae-2-2.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.69.132.53]
15 217 ms 153 ms 154 ms ae-2-52.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.69.147.170]
16 154 ms 154 ms 154 ms CENTURYTEL.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.59.232.7
4]
17 154 ms 154 ms 155 ms 205.196.6.36
18 154 ms 154 ms 158 ms 208-64-202-24.valve.net [208.64.202.24]
19 156 ms 155 ms 155 ms 208-64-202-68.valve.net [208.64.202.68]
Trace complete.
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
21-04-2014 9:02 PM
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Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
21-04-2014 9:18 PM
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Now if only this forum would work this time
I was also getting loss on all level3 nodes at the time of the post and currently seeing issues gaming on USA servers, logins timing out, switching characters drops the connection to the login server.
I am being routed via france to 208.95.186.167 and still using the existing route to steampowered.com which is jumping between 4 US cities
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
21-04-2014 9:41 PM
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Quote from: Gus still using the existing route to steampowered.com which is jumping between 4 US cities
Probably because you're posting a traceroute to Steam's server in Bellevue, WA.
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
22-04-2014 2:42 AM
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Target Name: 208-64-200-137.steampowered.comOh look it goes via paris and is 7ms higher than my other tracert that is routed in a more direct fashion , exactly the same effect it had on latency to Ubisoft.com Level 3 cack handed routing peering , must be the cheapest peering available is all i can say , oh, and they won't fix it neither will Plusnet just have a read of my thread in the gaming forum 5 mths before they turned around and say they can't /wont do anything for me
IP: 208.64.200.137
Date/Time: 22/04/2014 02:30:54 to 22/04/2014 02:33:17
Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg Host Name / [IP]
1 144 0 0.0 0 0 0 home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
2 144 0 0.0 13 648 37 lo0-central10.ptw-ag04.plus.net [195.166.128.194]
3 144 0 0.0 12 25 13 link-b-central10.ptw-gw02.plus.net [212.159.2.158]
4 144 0 0.0 12 46 13 xe-7-2-0.ptw-cr02.plus.net [212.159.0.254]
5 144 0 0.0 13 40 14 ae2.ptw-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.4]
6 144 0 0.0 12 36 13 ae1.pcl-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.1]
7 144 0 0.0 13 69 14 xe-11-1-0.edge3.London2.Level3.net [212.187.201.209]
8 144 0 0.0 158 165 158 vl-3201-ve-128.ebr2.London2.Level3.net [4.69.202.177]
9 144 0 0.0 157 159 157 ae-44-44.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.159.94]
10 144 0 0.0 158 159 158 ae-61-61.csw1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.78]
11 144 0 0.0 158 160 158 ae-62-62.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.93]
12 144 0 0.0 159 164 159 ae-44-44.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.137.62]
13 139 0 0.0 159 166 159 ae-46-46.ebr2.Washington12.Level3.net [4.69.202.54]
14 144 0 0.0 159 166 159 ae-6-6.ebr2.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.148.146]
15 144 0 0.0 159 168 159 ae-1-100.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.132.113]
16 144 0 0.0 157 159 157 ae-3-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.61]
17 144 0 0.0 160 168 160 ae-2-2.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.69.132.53]
18 144 0 0.0 160 221 162 ae-2-52.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.69.147.170]
19 144 0 0.0 159 189 160 CENTURYTEL.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.59.232.74]
20 144 0 0.0 160 164 160 [205.196.6.36]
21 144 0 0.0 160 161 160 208-64-200-137.steampowered.com [208.64.200.137]
And another Steampowered.com IP with no Paris in the mix
Target Name: 208-64-200-204.steampowered.com
IP: 208.64.200.204
Date/Time: 22/04/2014 02:44:27 to 22/04/2014 02:45:12
Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg Host Name / [IP]
1 81 33 40.7 0 0 0 home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
2 84 0 0.0 13 107 15 lo0-central10.ptw-ag04.plus.net [195.166.128.194]
3 84 0 0.0 13 13 13 link-a-central10.ptw-gw01.plus.net [212.159.2.156]
4 84 0 0.0 12 38 13 xe-7-2-0.ptw-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.252]
5 84 0 0.0 12 350 59 te-3-4.car5.London1.Level3.net [217.163.45.181]
6 84 0 0.0 151 161 152 ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.120]
7 84 0 0.0 152 154 152 ae-56-221.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.129]
8 84 0 0.0 152 153 152 ae-43-43.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.74]
9 83 0 0.0 152 153 152 ae-4-4.ebr1.NewYork2.Level3.net [4.69.141.18]
10 84 1 1.2 151 159 151 ae-1-100.ebr2.NewYork2.Level3.net [4.69.135.254]
11 84 1 1.2 153 162 153 ae-2-2.ebr1.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.69.132.65]
12 84 1 1.2 152 153 152 ae-6-6.ebr1.Chicago2.Level3.net [4.69.140.190]
13 84 0 0.0 150 151 150 ae-3-3.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.61]
14 84 0 0.0 153 155 153 ae-2-2.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.69.132.53]
15 84 1 1.2 153 211 156 ae-2-52.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.69.147.170]
16 84 1 1.2 152 153 152 CENTURYTEL.edge1.Seattle3.Level3.net [4.59.232.74]
17 84 2 2.4 152 180 153 [205.196.6.37]
18 84 0 0.0 151 152 151 208-64-200-204.steampowered.com [208.64.200.204]
Fortunately the packet loss did stop a short time after i reported it here, but it shouldn't be happening in the first place, if level3 didn't overload their links perhaps it wouldn't happen , but some will say and believe that this wont be the case
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
22-04-2014 7:38 AM
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What I don't get is why you would use a West Coast server - can you not chose something on the East Coast (which would halve your latency)?
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
22-04-2014 11:47 AM
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As for those latency times, i have seen lower latency times to that first steampowered.com IP so lower latency is possible , But that wasn't may point although i did point out that by routing traffic via Paris does add 7-8ms to the overall figure, and that this as far as I'm concerned is a dumb idea by Level 3,But they appeared to of had clear issues yesterday to probably almost every destination in the usa nothing more and nothing less
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
22-04-2014 12:11 PM
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Quote from: deathtrap Target Name: 208-64-200-137.steampowered.com
IP: 208.64.200.137
Date/Time: 22/04/2014 02:30:54 to 22/04/2014 02:33:17
Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg Host Name / [IP]
1 144 0 0.0 0 0 0 home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
2 144 0 0.0 13 648 37 lo0-central10.ptw-ag04.plus.net [195.166.128.194]
3 144 0 0.0 12 25 13 link-b-central10.ptw-gw02.plus.net [212.159.2.158]
4 144 0 0.0 12 46 13 xe-7-2-0.ptw-cr02.plus.net [212.159.0.254]
5 144 0 0.0 13 40 14 ae2.ptw-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.4]
6 144 0 0.0 12 36 13 ae1.pcl-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.1]
7 144 0 0.0 13 69 14 xe-11-1-0.edge3.London2.Level3.net [212.187.201.209]
8 144 0 0.0 158 165 158 vl-3201-ve-128.ebr2.London2.Level3.net [4.69.202.177]
9 144 0 0.0 157 159 157 ae-44-44.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.159.94]
10 144 0 0.0 158 159 158 ae-61-61.csw1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.78]
11 144 0 0.0 158 160 158 ae-62-62.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.93]
12 144 0 0.0 159 164 159 ae-44-44.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.137.62]
snipTarget Name: 208-64-200-204.steampowered.com
IP: 208.64.200.204
Date/Time: 22/04/2014 02:44:27 to 22/04/2014 02:45:12
Hop Sent Err PL% Min Max Avg Host Name / [IP]
1 81 33 40.7 0 0 0 home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
2 84 0 0.0 13 107 15 lo0-central10.ptw-ag04.plus.net [195.166.128.194]
3 84 0 0.0 13 13 13 link-a-central10.ptw-gw01.plus.net [212.159.2.156]
4 84 0 0.0 12 38 13 xe-7-2-0.ptw-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.252]
5 84 0 0.0 12 350 59 te-3-4.car5.London1.Level3.net [217.163.45.181]
6 84 0 0.0 151 161 152 ae-52-52.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.120]
7 84 0 0.0 152 154 152 ae-56-221.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.129]
8 84 0 0.0 152 153 152 ae-43-43.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.137.74]
snip
Whether the route goes through Paris or not appears to be depend on the route taken through plusnets network.
So, to some extent, this must be under Plusnets control.
Both tracert are on the same gateway.
Both taken within 15minutes of each other.
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
22-04-2014 12:18 PM
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Plusnet do not control whether your traffic goes to Level3's London or Paris cores - that's decided by Level3.
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
22-04-2014 1:18 PM
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And that was for the dig he had at me
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
22-04-2014 1:27 PM
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Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
22-04-2014 1:42 PM
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Quote from: AndyH Once the traffic leaves Plusnet's network, they have little or no control over where it goes (contrary to what deathtrap thinks).
That goes without saying, but the point where plusnet connect in to the level3 network does appear influence the route.
Hopefully PN has some control over the point where they connect to level3.
Re: LEVEL3 peering to USA heavy Packet loss tonight
22-04-2014 1:43 PM
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