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First post - Question on BB sped management

Maxx
Dabbler
Posts: 23
Registered: 14-06-2008

First post - Question on BB sped management

Hi,
Been with PN for a while,and quite happy with product and service.  My first post.
I spend approx 50% of my BB useage on gaming (Xbox360) and 50% general web.
I have been using the PN speed test to see what I actually get in upload and download.
My question is, why do I not consistantly have the higher download speed?  Below is a copy and paste of the results.

Today 19:39 958 kbps (120kB/s) 387 kbps (48.4kB/s) Share
Sep 29, 21:02 877 kbps (110kB/s) 382 kbps (47.8kB/s) Share
Sep 20, 19:28 951 kbps (119kB/s) 386 kbps (48.3kB/s) Share
Sep 17, 18:55 953 kbps (119kB/s) 385 kbps (48.1kB/s) Share
Sep 13, 18:27 952 kbps (119kB/s) 386 kbps (48.3kB/s) Share
Sep 11, 18:44 950 kbps (119kB/s) 387 kbps (48.4kB/s) Share
Sep 9, 22:18 656 kbps (82kB/s) 382 kbps (47.8kB/s) Share
Sep 5, 17:52 952 kbps (119kB/s) 383 kbps (47.9kB/s) Share
Sep 4, 09:25 950 kbps (119kB/s) 384 kbps (48kB/s) Share
Sep 1, 21:38 952 kbps (119kB/s) 384 kbps (48kB/s) Share
Aug 31, 19:40 951 kbps (119kB/s) 384 kbps (48kB/s) Share
Aug 26, 18:06 958 kbps (120kB/s) 385 kbps (48.1kB/s) Share
Aug 24, 15:07 950 kbps (119kB/s) 385 kbps (48.1kB/s) Share
Aug 20, 17:26 940 kbps (118kB/s) 379 kbps (47.4kB/s) Share
Aug 16, 19:58 1008 kbps (126kB/s) 386 kbps (48.3kB/s) Share
Aug 10, 19:10 1234 kbps (154kB/s) 385 kbps (48.1kB/s) Share
Aug 8, 19:05 1235 kbps (154kB/s) 386 kbps (48.3kB/s) Share
Aug 7, 20:58 1232 kbps (154kB/s) 363 kbps (45.4kB/s) Share
Aug 3, 17:35 1241 kbps (155kB/s) 385 kbps (48.1kB/s) Share
Aug 1, 08:37 944 kbps (118kB/s) 384 kbps (48kB/s) Share
Jul 29, 18:16 1235 kbps (154kB/s) 383 kbps (47.9kB/s) Share
Jul 13, 10:25 952 kbps (119kB/s) 385 kbps (48.1kB/s) Share
Jul 8, 19:58 949 kbps (119kB/s) 376 kbps (47kB/s) Share
Jun 22, 18:58 1466 kbps (183kB/s) 386 kbps (48.3kB/s) Share
Jun 14, 20:23 949 kbps (119kB/s) 386 kbps (48.3kB/s) Share
Jun 14, 17:24 950 kbps (119kB/s) 385 kbps (48.1kB/s) Share
Jun 14, 16:33 949 kbps (119kB/s) 383 kbps (47.9kB/s) Share
May 27, 20:14 1231 kbps (154kB/s) 381 kbps (47.6kB/s) Share
May 23, 18:25 1231 kbps (154kB/s) 386 kbps (48.3kB/s) Share
May 11, 16:52 1233 kbps (154kB/s) 386 kbps (48.3kB/s)
Its seems fairly stable at 950, but peaks at 1200.  having checked I don't think I go over my useage limit, which when I chose a package added a bit of 'fat' just in case.
Any idea's? Should I contact PN direct?
My package
PlusNet Broadband Your Way Option 2 with included 15GB bandwidth
Thanks
Maxx
32 REPLIES
Community Veteran
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Registered: 02-02-2008

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

For internet performance I'd describe that as "remarkably consistent" to be honest.
(Speed testers are never that reliable anyway)
What does the BT Speed Tester say?
And do you have any router stats, showing attenuation etc. to post?
geewizz
Grafter
Posts: 1,125
Registered: 01-08-2007

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

That's just how ADSL is configured. Most of us want download speeds prioritised over upload speeds and so ADSL was designed with that in mind.
Your speed figures are fine in that respect.
ramidoodle
Grafter
Posts: 265
Registered: 28-09-2008

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

Hiya,
Just checked your line on BT checker. it looks like you are quite far from the exchange tbh. bellow is the BT
Quote
Your exchange is ADSL enabled, and our initial test on your line indicates that your line should be able to have an ADSL broadband service that provides a line rate up to 1Mbps.
Our test also indicates that your line currently supports a potential ADSL Max broadband line rate of 1Mbps or greater.
The actual ADSL line rate supportable will be determined during the first 10 days of use, after which time the highest stable rate possible will be set.

postcode distance calculators always find the Radial Distance which doesn't reflect the actual way the telephone wire is routed. (Radial Distance returns a distance of at least 3KM)
looks like your line attenuation is more than 43 dB, can you post your router stats plz?
Maxx
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Registered: 14-06-2008

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

Thanks for your answers, and questions.  Smiley
It took a few yeards for BB to creep out to where I live, and I am a distance from the exchange, so expectations were not the big. Roll eyes
I have an Origo Asr-8400 router,  Lips are sealed would I find the stats etc that you are after in there?  I have had a look and TBH its only the second time I have used the interface since I bought it and am not sure where to look?
Point me in the right direction and I should be able to find them, just not sure which direction to be looking in.
Many Thanks
James
Grafter
Posts: 21,036
Registered: 04-04-2007

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

Hi Maxx,
Your downstream attenuation is 59dB, which mwans that you're a long way from the exchange.
There are a few things that can often improve your speeds, such as making sure that all of your used telephone socket have a filter and that your router/modem is connecting to your master socket via a filter.  Sometimes it's also an idea to try using a different modem or router if you can, and try try using some new filters.
Maxx
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Registered: 14-06-2008

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

Found it!
First number is Downstream and second is Upstream
SNR Margin 14.8 18.0 dB
Line Attenuation 57.3 31.5 dB
Errored Seconds 2374 412
Loss of Signal 0 0
Loss of Frame 0 0
CRC Errors 2980 538
Data Rate 1664 448 kbps
Latency FAST FAST
Should I be worried? or Happy with the above?
Thanks
James
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Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

It's not abnormal.
Some of the things I talked about above may help to improve the SNR figure (ie: make it a bit lower) which would lead to an improvement in speed.
Maxx
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Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

Quote from: Jameseh
It's not abnormal.
Some of the things I talked about above may help to improve the SNR figure (ie: make it a bit lower) which would lead to an improvement in speed.

James, thanks.
I only have one phone in my house, and the router is plugged direct into that with a filter.  All phone calls are made on a mobile.
I shall get a new filter, as the current one must be 5 years old?
As long as all is ok ~ Thats good, I was only worried that I may  have been missing out on somthing!
All~Thanks for your time.
Maxx
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Registered: 08-06-2007

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

Interestingly, it seems to be on a Fastpath circuit, not an interleaved circuit so it does mean that the line is possibly "better than average" quality for the line length.
I would certainly recommend an XTE2005, as long as you are able to site your router close to the master socket.
I would also consider an experiment:  a reduction in target SNR and also (possibly) switching Interleaving on - the sync speed you lose from the interleaving may be more than offset by the increase in sync you will get from the reduction in SNR margin.  (these would have to be actioned by PN)
Jameseh - thoughts?
B.

Maxx
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Re: First post - Question on BB sped management


XTE2005 ~ looks neat and compact,  and my router is approx 8-10ft away, so have orderd one.
Thanks
James
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Registered: 04-04-2007

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

there'd certainly be no harm in turning on interleaving.
Try the new socket first and see if it improves things at all.  If it doesn't we can try turning on interleaving to see if it makes an improvement.
Maxx
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Registered: 14-06-2008

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

Right new master plug here will, let you know the results.
Maxx
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Registered: 14-06-2008

Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

Today 13:56  1017 kbps (127kB/s)  393 kbps (49.1kB/s)
and router stats.  (first number is down and second upstream)
SNR Margin 14.3 18.0 dB
Line Attenuation 58.3 31.5 dB
Errored Seconds 2783 579
Loss of Signal 1 1
Loss of Frame 0 0
CRC Errors 3 9
Data Rate 1792 448 kbps
Latency FAST FAST

Stats look pretty much the same in the router, speed test shows an improvement, tho. I tend to do the test later in the evening after work, and not as today in the middle of the day.  Not sure if this would make an impact.
Maxx
Maxx
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Re: First post - Question on BB sped management

SNR Margin 14.9 18.0 dB
Line Attenuation 57.1 31.5 dB
Errored Seconds 3036 617 
Loss of Signal 2 2 
Loss of Frame 0 0 
CRC Errors 250 17 
Data Rate 1632 448 kbps
Latency FAST FAST 

Todays router stats, is it worh while putting the interleving back on then?
Thanks