Broadband speed - can it go any faster?

[#1]

Oh
so the test socket is wired seperatly
that explains it then
Thanks

[#2]

Confused.
is this correct?
the outside line comes into the house,
connects to the test socket,
when the front panel is connected the outside line is routed to the internal wiring.
so when the front panel is not connected is it totally isolated from the outside line?
or is there wires from the back of the test socket to the front panel?
H

[#3]

Quote from: Mabel

so when the front panel is not connected is it totally isolated from the outside line?

Yes, that's the purpose of the front panel to isolate the internal wiring, which is the householders responsibility, from the incoming wiring, which is Openreach responsibility.

[#4]

So
I don't need the front panel at all.
I can remove all 6 wires from the rear of the front plate and the master socket then becomes the only active socket in the house.
All internal wiring is not connected at all.
So basically  I plug in an ADSL filter to the master socket (which now has no wires attached to its rear) a DECT phone into the filter and the router into the filter and I’m good to go????
So removing all 6 wires will ONLY disconnect the upstairs built in extension and will not stop my phone or broadband from working but hopefully will reduce noise on the line and improve my broadband speed.

H.

[#5]

Quote from: Mabel

I don't need the front panel at all. I can remove all 6 wires from the rear of the front plate and the master socket then becomes the only active socket in the house. All internal wiring is not connected at all. So basically  I plug in an ADSL filter to the master socket (which now has no wires attached to its rear) a DECT phone into the filter and the router into the filter and I’m good to go???? So removing all 6 wires will ONLY disconnect the upstairs built in extension and will not stop my phone or broadband from working but hopefully will reduce noise on the line and improve my broadband speed.

The answer is a distinct YES to all of those points.
If you have no need of the extension upstairs, then you are safe to remove all 6 wires from the frontplate, and put it back in place. I'd make a note of which colours went to which numbered pins, in case - but those should already be standard (and can be rediscovered via google).
If you would rather keep the extension working, then you only need to keep wires 2 and 5, which are the ones that carry the A and B legs up to the extension; the other 4 have no place in today's wiring setup, and (as you've found) just act as an aerial to pick up interference.
There are 2 more possible sources of interference, which we can check after you put your "bare" faceplate back on:
- The faceplate itself. Unlikely, but it has been known to cause interference
- The DECT phone, once plugged into the filter. Panasonic models have been known to cause interference
Don't worry about those for now... Just post back your router statistics when you've sorted out the faceplate.

[#6]

Yes. If you are sure you will never use the extension socket in the bedroom again for anything then it is safe to take off all 6 wires. Your broadband & dect phones should still work fine the same as they do in the test socket.

[#7]

If you did want to tidy things up and keep the extension socket working you can use one of these: http://www.adslnation.com/products/xte2005.php
It replaces the current face plate AND the filter. You connect the extension wiring to the back of this filter, but inside it connects to the filtered side only so you don't have to put a filter in the extension if you ever use it (but you can't put the router in to the extension).

[#8]

Hi Mabel
Have you noticed the increase in speed yet, since you plugged into the test socket?
Jojo

[#9]

First off I have to say thank you for all that have helped.
This is far better than i had anticipated. Wonderful.
I only plugged it into the test socket while I was testing it last night,
before I went to bed i put it all back to the way it was.
Having read all the post again I went for it.
I removed all the wires because even with two wires connected it was lower than the test socket speed.
I don't use the upstairs socket.
I now have no wires connected to the face plate.

When will i see a speed increase?
Will it happen automagically or do i have to get some one at Plusnet or Bt or???
to turn something on?
The router now reports (no wires);
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 448 / 8,823
instead of (6 wires);
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 448 / 5,336
So what happens now?
Thanks for all the help.
H.
===================================================
Plugged into TEST socket
Link Information
Uptime: 0 days, 0:01:47
DSL Type: G.992.5 annex A
Maximum Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 23,402 / 8,832
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 448 / 8,215
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 509.00 / 735.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 20.0
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 20.5 / 37.0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 24.0 / 7.5
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / TSTC
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 5,026 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 9,758 / 3
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 3,873 / 7


===================================================
With 6 wires connected to the Face Plate
Link Information
Uptime: 0 days, 20:36:50
DSL Type: G.992.5 annex A
Maximum Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 23,467 / 5,604
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 448 / 5,336
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [GB/GB]: 42.96 / 1.05
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 20.0
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 20.5 / 37.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 24.5 / 7.0
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / TSTC
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 96 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 65,552 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 131,073 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 113,419 / 1,158
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 925,892,636 / 1,443

===================================================
With 2 wires (2 & 5) connected to the Face Plate

Link Information
Uptime: 0 days, 0:01:40
DSL Type: G.992.5 annex A
Maximum Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 23,336 / 6,352
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 448 / 6,200
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 11.00 / 27.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 20.0
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 20.5 / 37.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 24.0 / 6.5
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / TSTC
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 5,026 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 10,062 / 2
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 3,882 / 2


===================================================
With No wires connected to the Face Plate
Link Information

Uptime: 0 days, 0:00:32
DSL Type: G.992.5 annex A
Maximum Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 23,402 / 8,856
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 448 / 8,823
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 0.00 / 0.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.0 / 20.0
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 20.5 / 37.0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 25.0 / 6.0
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / TSTC
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 115 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 65,536 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 65,545 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 304 / 0
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 8 / 0

[#10]

You should now leave everything alone and with any luck the IP profile will increase in 2 or 3 days and the Plusnet mirror shortly afterwards (12 hours maximum)

[#11]

Thank you.
I will watch with bated breath.
H.

[#12]

HI Mabel
Looks like your profile has picked up already, it's showing 7150 from our end.
Jojo

[#13]

That sounds good.
I will do a speed test when i get home tonight.
When i went to bed the speed had dropped from 3.2 to about 3.0
but that is probably in the variance margin anyway.
the Speed (or whatever the number REALLY means) reported by my router has doubled, it will be interesting to see what a doubling of that number means in terms of an increase in data throughput.
I assume it wont double the B/B speed but a little bit faster would make the whole thing feel a bit nippier.
I see there are various types of errors, but i have no idea what they mean and what is a good value and what is a bad value.
there must be an information page on the web that explains it all somewhere. I will have to explore.
one of my s/n values looks low. Is this a good thing????
i would have thought that the higher the s/n ratio the better, don't want any of that nasty noise on my line thank you very much.
As long at the speed doesn't get work I will be happy but if it gets better then that would be good.
So when i buy my next house it has to next door to the exchange.
Thanks
H.

[#14]

Quote from: Mabel

I see there are various types of errors, but i have no idea what they mean and what is a good value and what is a bad value. there must be an information page on the web that explains it all somewhere. I will have to explore.

Have a read of this from kitz http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/linestats_errors.htm

[#15]

that is a good page.
lots to read there.
which of the stats reported by my router is the line rate?
is it?
Maximum Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:  23,402 / 8,856

why is there such a difference? Same line!!

and how do i find out what my interleave value is?