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BroadBand that loves u back ????

glesgajohn
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

Quote from: cedlor
Yes - not a good router to get stats from. I dont have one but maybe more here:
There is a hidden 'expert user' page which you can visit 192.168.1.254/expert_user.html for extra pages. (change to use your IP if different. PN default seems to be 192.168.1.254).
To get more detailed line statistics, in the left hand menu, click Device Info -> Summary -> Statistics -> xDSL

From the info given it doesnt look too bad - did it go off again last night. 
Can you post the stats again now or  early evening and again when it is dropping



cheers m8, i  eventually got thro to cust. ser. and got eng. coming out sat morn.
thank you all for ur help  ,......see what happens next !......will keep u all informed ...ta
taken @ 6pm today
does this help  ?

Interface
Received
Transmitted
Bytes Pkts Errs Drops Bytes Pkts Errs Drops
eth0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth3 539220 4594 0 0 2005128 8818 0 0
wl0 6193136 46592 0 0 34246866 60298 0 0

cedlor
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

Again that looks ok  doesnt seem to be any errors or drops.
Did they actually find a fault on the line for them to be sending an engineer.
If the problem is just after 9pm maybe he wont find anything?
If you are mainly using wireless perhaps something is knocking that out
- neighbour on same channel or another family member pinching your bandwidth.
See here for tips  http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/wireless_broadband/wireless_signal.shtml#channel.
glesgajohn
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

Quote from: cedlor
Again that looks ok  doesnt seem to be any errors or drops.
Did they actually find a fault on the line for them to be sending an engineer.
If the problem is just after 9pm maybe he wont find anything?
If you are mainly using wireless perhaps something is knocking that out
- neighbour on same channel or another family member pinching your bandwidth.
See here for tips  http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/wireless_broadband/wireless_signal.shtml#channel.

Hi again, I dont  know whether the log has been cleared by plusnet or by me rebooting modem ?
they say they found a fault on line but have to come to house to test it from here , also fault  seemed to happen anytime i was online  ,my internet page was saying "dns finished ...bad config  " dont know what  that means ,.....tried a different channel ,it was the same .
They  say they have to activate " interleaving " (what ever that is ) takes 24hrs to switch on and has to run for 5days
ps
seems to be running ok at moment  7mb dwnld (best  i can get  )
cedlor
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

Looks like we will have to wait and see what tomorrow brings.
If your speed drops after nine try and get the stats and also do  a BTW speedtest and either screen grab it or copy and paste as text.
Maybe if the engineer says he cant find anything wrong and you can show him some bad results he will look deeper.
I have to say that adsl speeds do tend to drop after 9 especially in the south east  (but you may be from Glesga?) due to noise (AM radio interference from europe.)
I dont know  enough about the "dns finished ...bad config" problem only what  anyone can read on the internet. - if its still a problem after the visit perhaps someone who knows can help.
Maybe just needs something tweaking in your " windows network connection"
Interleaving - again you can look it up but basically it is a system that reduces some types of errors by sending the data in a different way. ( may cause a slight drop in speed)
BUT if you get your line running properly thenit can be taken off.
Anotherone
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

Quote from: cedlor
@Oldjim  Well I consider number of errors to be a basic stat for troubleshooting  and the "Basic Stats" does not appear to give them? 
Quote from: Oldjim
I don't but there we must agree to differ

Well I'm surprised that OJ doesn't consider that errors are a basic stat that's important for trouble shooting Shocked
Jim, I am gob-smacked that you consider that to be so with your years of presence on this forum. And I'm sorry, but I will have to disagree with you. It can be very significant and the exchange DLM will consider it extremely significant.
@glesgajohn
As mentioned by cedlor in reply #10 , it's the xDSL stats that are significant, but you also need to quote the uptime from line 6 of the Helpdesk page.
The Interface stats are of no significance when dealing with connection issues to the exchange.
All the stats will change, uptimes reset, etc when you reboot or power of the modem/router. Also if you already have a dropping connection random and repetitive rebooting is a very bad idea. The exchange automated DLM can/will make changes to the Target SNRM and/or band your speed - the net result is often slower speed. Interleaving is a form of error correction but increases the ping/lag time, so if you are a gamer, when your fault is fixed you want to get support to turn it off.
The stats you have posted from the Helpdesk page show that your line is performing below what should be expected from a line of that length in good condition, it suggests a lot of interference/noise (electrical/electronic but may also be audible when using the phone). You ought to be able to get speeds approaching 9/10Mbps If you have any hard-wired extension phone sockets or use any plug-in phone/router extension leads, that needs to be reviewed as they can also be a source of interference pick up.
cedlor
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

hi glesgajohn
Any news from the Engineers visit?
glesgajohn
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

hi again ., sorry to be so late in  posting, (work )
anyway the eng. called said there was no fault on line and he couldnt find a fault anywhere, he replaced the wall socket and filter , so i have ran it since sat .
i must say since i reported the fault it seemed to run ok b4 engineer called out , but i am having page loading problems like paaage timing out and wont connect sometimes and my "now tv" boxes sometimes wont connect \ load  seem to time out ., would this be an interleaving prob ? I had to reboot modem for it to load pages ( i knw i shouldnt reboot modem if dont need to but its the only thing that works)  thanx for info guys
dick:quote
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

Hi glesgajohn.
Can you post the current full xDSL stats (as previously explained) and the connection Uptime from the Helpdesk page. You can use the link in my sig which will take you to the stats (via login). Can you also say when you last rebooted - if you aren't sure, then if you either sign in as expert_user as explained by cedlor in reply #10 - you get to the main 'Device Info' page, or use the direct link to the xDSL stats and then select 'Device Info' at the top of the LH menu, you'll find the Power Uptime is at the bottom of the first box.
Interleaving isn't going to cause the time-out problem you are seeing.  Are these devices that you are having problems with connected by Ethernet or by Wireless?
Can you also open a Command Prompt window and run the following and post the results from both -
ping -f -l 1464 ntp.plus.net
ping -f -l 1465 ntp.plus.net
Please describe an outline of your setup - do you have hard-wired extension sockets, do you have a Master Socket like the one on the left? and has it had the Mk3 Service Specific Filtered Plate fitted? Do all your Microfilters look similar to this?
glesgajohn
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

Hi again m8, my net seems to be running ok at mo . the guy has turned off interleaving, i last rebooted noon ystrday bcause it was timing out but its ran ok since (touch wood )
my  master socket is a openreach mk3 with a built in filter (guy changed it )
uptime = 6 - Uptime: 0 days 13:57:58
stats=
Interface
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Bytes Pkts Errs Drops Bytes Pkts Errs Drops
eth0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth3 4604583 21880 0 0 20028609 37448 0 0
wl0 294734198 2407303 0 0 2147483647 3204195 15511 0
ping=
Pinging ntp.plus.net [212.159.6.9] with 1464 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.159.6.9: bytes=1464 time=53ms TTL=60
Reply from 212.159.6.9: bytes=1464 time=54ms TTL=60
Reply from 212.159.6.9: bytes=1464 time=54ms TTL=60
Reply from 212.159.6.9: bytes=1464 time=55ms TTL=60
Ping statistics for 212.159.6.9:
   Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
   Minimum = 53ms, Maximum = 55ms, Average = 54ms


Pinging ntp.plus.net [212.159.6.9] with 1465 bytes of data
Reply from 192.168.1.254: Packet needs to be fragmented bu
Packet needs to be fragmented but DF set.
Packet needs to be fragmented but DF set.
Packet needs to be fragmented but DF set.
Ping statistics for 212.159.6.9:
   Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 1, Lost = 3 (75% loss),.
my pc is wireless but my youview box is hard wired
thanc again as i said everything seems ok at mo . dwnload speed is 7.13mb at moment ....ta
@cedlor
how did u guess i was from glesga lol
dick:quote
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

Hi glesgajohn,
the ping results have responded as expected, no problem there, but those Interface stats are of no help in assessing your connection to the exchange. It's the xDSL stats that are needed as mentioned earlier in the thread, or at a 2nd best the Helpdesk page, but make sure you obscure the serial number, your broadband username and the MAC address.
glesgajohn
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Hi again m8, it seems to be running ok but i will post the stats for u so i caan find out whaat they mean if u dont mind , just incase i have future probs. .. is this them  , and the uptime
6 - Uptime: 1 days 13:58:02
Statistics -- xDSL
Mode: ADSL_2plus
Traffic Type: ATM
Status: Up
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream
Line Coding(Trellis): On On
SNR Margin (1 dB): 6.0 28.2
Attenuation (1 dB): 39.0 23.7
Output Power (1 dBm): 0.0 12.6
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 8604 1092

Path 0 Path 1
Downstream Upstream Downstream Upstream
Rate (Kbps): 8530 445 0 0

MSGc (# of bytes in overhead channel message): 62 69 0 0
B (# of bytes in Mux Data Frame): 254 13 0 0
M (# of Mux Data Frames in FEC Data Frame): 1 1 0 0
T (Mux Data Frames over sync bytes): 1 1 0 0
R (# of check bytes in FEC Data Frame): 0 0 0 0
S (ratio of FEC over PMD Data Frame length): 0.9528 0.9333 0.0 0.0
L (# of bits in PMD Data Frame): 2141 120 0 0
D (interleaver depth): 1 1 0 0
Delay (msec): 0 0 0.0 0.0
INP (DMT symbol): 0.00 0.00 0.0 0.0

Super Frames: 3434415 3101075 0 0
Super Frame Errors: 1648 15 0 0
RS Words: 0 894304 0 0
RS Correctable Errors: 0 0 0 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors: 0 0 0 0

HEC Errors: 4525 2 0 0
OCD Errors: 41 0 0 0
LCD Errors: 41 0 0 0
Total Cells: 2743794624 143182690 0 0
Data Cells: 78136586 9208228 0 0
Bit Errors: 0 672 0 0

Total ES: 1071 14
Total SES: 10 0
Total UAS: 116 106

thanx for your patience and help m8
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

That's the stats John, well done. It's looking OK at the moment, if you post some more of the same in a couple of days, we could see how the errors are looking.
One observation though, your connection speed isn't quite upto what it perhaps ought to do for a line of your attenuation. Now this has nothing to do with Plusnet or the 2704n, this is related to wiring and the line to the exchange. You said you've got the Mk3 plate on the master socket, I take you've got no extensions and the 2704n is plugged directly into the top socket on the master with it's original short lead?
If that's all so, then your line to the exchange isn't one of the top quality ones Sad  Not much one can do about that unless there's a fault, so we'll have to see how it goes.
glesgajohn
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

thanx for your help and info , it seems to be running ok now (touch wood)  cheers  all .
glesgajohn
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

hi sorry to pop in and annoy yous again but my download speed has fell from 6,7 mb to 4.24mb (bt speedtest) im not sure if its my pc or internet could anyone read and infm me any info thanx , it was running ok since fixed but starting to play up again,.
these are my readings (i think )  it happens on 3 diffrent browsers firefox/chrome/opera.
any info appreciated

Device Info
Board ID: F@ST2704N
HardWare Version: F@ST2704N V1.0
Serial Number: N7151031B00XXXX
Mac Address: 00:37:b7:xxxxxx
Build Timestamp: 150122_2013
Software Version: 7.275.2_F2704N_Plusnet
Bootloader (CFE) Version: 7.275.2
DSL PHY and Driver Version: A2pG039f2.d25b
Wireless Driver Version: 5.100.138.2008.cpe4.12L06B.4
Uptime: 28D 4H 16M 30S
This information reflects the current status of your 'WAN' connection.
Line Rate - Upstream (Kbps): 111
Line Rate - Downstream (Kbps): 6731
ShowtimeStart (seconds) 410737
LAN IPv4 Address: 192.168.1.254
WAN IPv4 Address: 87.112.84.224
Default Gateway: 195.166.128.192
Primary DNS Server: 212.159.6.10
Secondary DNS Server: 212.159.6.9
LAN IPv6 ULA Address:
Default IPv6 Gateway:
Primary IPv6 DNS Server:
Secondary IPv6 DNS Server:
Date/Time: Thu Nov 12 15:01:39 2015
and
Statistics -- LAN
Interface
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Bytes Pkts Errs Drops Bytes Pkts Errs Drops
eth0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
eth3 241624943 1742189 0 0 2147483647 2638151 0 0
wl0 2147483647 41108545 0 0 434966121 55315503 41761 0
thanx again
adie:green removed last few digits of serial number.
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Re: BroadBand that loves u back ????

Hi there. There's no obvious reason based on those stats why your download speed should have dropped because according to them. you connection has been continuous for 28 days 4hrs+ and the downstream sync speed should give a profile of 5.9Mbps. Can you check your Current Line speed (Login required) - it should match the IP Profile of 5.9Mbps (don't post your phone number). Might also be a good idea to edit/modify your post and redact the last digits of the modem/router serial number (after the B).
The only thing I can spot that looks odd, is the Upstream sync speed, is there a digit missing when you copied the stats?  It's posted as 111kbps which is rather slow!  I suspect it might be a bit faster  Wink
Edit:  misread stats, that was power up time Embarrassed  Connections uptime is about 4 3/4 days.