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avg firewall for vista at last!

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avg firewall for vista at last!

I don't know about everyone else but I was but miffed when I discovered that no company other than MS had a workgin firewall at the time vista was released.

AVG have finally released their vista compatible firewall at : http://www2.grisoft.com/doc/2214/us/crp/0#details now I can get rid of windows firewall.

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avg firewall for vista at last!

You might of been miffed m8, but it wasn't other companies fault.

Think about it, until M$ actually released Vista, the outside software companies only had limited information to work with about the new OS. M$ don't release the source to anyone, so they couldn't use that to program something suitable.

M$ also made core kernel changes to vista meaning it works differently at it's heart to what XP does so effectively a lot of API calls to windows might not exist or they could of been changed completely leaving many programs with no way of executing those calls properly and thus crashing.

Until M$ released the new system along with the details of the API's and developer guides etc, there isn't really much that the outside companies can do. I must admit though, Vista has been out a while now and I'm surprised that it's taken THIS long for an outisde company to create a firewall.

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Yeah I knew that MS had efffectivle blocked other companies from developing firewalls etc until the final code was released.

It all means that MS got a foot in the door with basic users who will not buy firewalls etc as they now think that ms firewall is sufficient. A cunning piece of marketing could it even be anti-competative?


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A cunning piece of marketing could it even be anti-competative?


Lol I'm sure some court in some land somewhere will deem it to be.

M$ aren't going to go down without a fight. They've spent years developing OS's and now they've got the hang of it (or they think they have) they're trying to take on the competition by releasing firewalls, AV products and all the rest.

Personally it's a hard choice. Do you trust M$ who know their OS's inside out, or do you go with another company who specialise in their industry?

I know I nearly always use other companies software for most things but MS are starting to show some promising signs.

I know the built in XP firewall isn't much cop BUT it is integrated with UPNP which you can then control from any XP powered PC on the same network - Thats something ZoneAlarm can't do. The nice thing with ZA though (and most others) is that you can control programs making outbound connections. I expect in truth it won't be long before M$ start to include this functionality... just to try and further eradicate the competition..
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avg firewall for vista at last!

Lots of technicians argue that Windows Firewall is all that is needed for most users (who are unable to make effective use of outbound blocking anyway) and there are those who say you don't need a software firewall at all behind a NAT router.

I personally use Kerio, and I do believe that other vendors should be supported on Vista, but the introduction of a firewall turned on by default in Windows can only be a good thing. I will always support the existance of Windows firewall in XP and Vista, regardless of the effect this may have on their competition.
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Agree with that, the Windows Firewall being on by default now is very much a good thing. I remember nearly 4 years how much havoc the Blaster worm caused. Our call queues were maxed out and the network guys had to block port 135. I had friends that worked over at Freeserve and they had 200-300 calls in the queue for days afterwards.

Had the Windows firewall been on by default then there's no way it would have caused that much chaos.
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avg firewall for vista at last!

Nod32 has worked from day one in Vista. The problem with Vista is a procces cant look at another procces and see what its doing so a Av cant see if there is a virus running.

Someone has now found a workaround so MS security is up the swany again. Its a bit like the Blue ray copy protection they spent millions of dollars and thousands of experts creating it a one guy cracked it using a xbox 360 in 18 hours.
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Always the case, for some people the bumped up security just presents a challenge. Like when you were a kid and your parents said "don't do X" that's all you wanted to do...
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Its a bit like the Blue ray copy protection they spent millions of dollars and thousands of experts creating it a one guy cracked it using a xbox 360 in 18 hours.


Lol I herad about that..

The trouble is what they don't realise is one simple fact - If they can decrypt it, then so can someone else.

It's really quite a simple point. If it is de-cryptable then others can (with time and effort) also decrypt it. Blue ray was a wasted effort. They should of realised that if every blue ray device can decrypt the info and they're selling them to the public, then sooner or later someone would learn to take advantage of it.

Doesn't matter how complex the encryption is, how they try to hide stream headers etc, if they can decrypt it, so can someone else.

Not that they'll learn...
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Yep I agree, the weakness with all of these protections is that obviously they have to be decrypted somewhere to display video and audio. The more difficult they try to make it - the more determined it makes someone to be able to crack it. Not that I know a lot about the protections - this is just from my perspective.

It was the same when I owned a Commodore Amiga, the companies would try and make better and cleaver copy protections, and that would just make the cracking groups more determined - even more so as they were in competition with each other as to who could release the latest title first.

It's a shame the cost of the copy protections will obviously make a proportion of the R&D cost of the format, and therefore get passed to the end user (like in the high cost of hardware we have at the moment). So we'll all end up paying for it, even if every single disk you'll ever buy is legit.

Good isn't it :roll: