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Re: why is my e-mail being routed via the US ?
30-04-2008 10:48 PM
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Quote from: disfroot As to the 'e-mail is insecure - what can you do ?' councils of despair from at least 4 posters,
Not sure if you were including me.... but anyway; the reason I can't get excited is that there are just too many other oportunities to 'sniff' my email that I'm not sure that Postini is anything more than a distraction in this respect. At least they are declared.
Perhaps an analogy ?
If a CD containing valuable unencrypted data had been sent using a private delivery firm, and, say, the contents of that CD were later found in the hands of a third party, then would you say it was reasonable for the Police to investigate that crime, if the delivery company was entirely based in the UK ? Even though the CD had passed through many different depots and been loaded and reloaded onto as many vans ?
Now imagine the (ludicrous) situation where the delivery company decided to route the package via the US, passing it through many US depots also.
What are the chances of the UK Police investigating and successfully prosecuting anyone in the UK now ?
If each depot in my analogy is one of your e-mail 'sniffs', why is the situation so different ?
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Re: why is my e-mail being routed via the US ?
30-04-2008 10:50 PM
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Quote from: Ian It's not so illogical. Since the move to Postini our inbound mail core now only has to accept email sent from connections made to our platform that come from Postini and which only contains mail that has been sanitised by them.
I have turned off Postini spam filtering. My e-mail coming from them to you is therefore not sanitised.
So that argument doesn't work.
The point is, we don't need to accept mail from the whole world, just Postini - It's an argument that works perfectly well I'd say... Anyway, I'm very happy to try and work with you to find the best possible answer to this now - you don't need to argue with me. But you should at least be able to understand why we made the decision we did and why the the solution you've suggested isn't practical.
Quote thought so - you're not offering an opt-out because of cost reasons. Thanks for that.
No problem. We are first and foremost a business who has to play by the normal rules of business and I don't ever try and hide from that. Just to give you an idea, the cost we're talking about must equate to at least one full time person and probably at least half a rack of servers, with both their purchase and hosting costs as well as the other impacts of their power use. You might think that's an acceptable spend so we can meet your requirements (which I'd love to do btw), but I'm sorry to say it's not cost effective for us.
Quote which, in my case, and in the case of any other careful internet veteran were, of course,
caused by your May 2007 webmail breach in the first place.
Agreed
Think I've said my bit on this one now.
Ian
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Re: why is my e-mail being routed via the US ?
30-04-2008 11:00 PM
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Quote from: Ian It's not so illogical. Since the move to Postini our inbound mail core now only has to accept email sent from connections made to our platform that come from Postini and which only contains mail that has been sanitised by them.
I have turned off Postini spam filtering. My e-mail coming from them to you is therefore not sanitised.
So that argument doesn't work.
The point is, we don't need to accept mail from the whole world, just Postini - It's an argument that works perfectly well I'd say... Anyway, I'm very happy to try and work with you to find the best possible answer to this now - you don't need to argue with me. But you should at least be able to understand why we made the decision we did and why the the solution you've suggested isn't practical.
Postini have datacentres in the UK and in the EU. Is it possible for you to have an agreement in place with them that means that the UK datacentre is the one of first resort, and the non-UK ones are only ever used as failover ( and not load balancing) alternatives ?
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Re: why is my e-mail being routed via the US ?
30-04-2008 11:10 PM
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We're using the US implementation because it has better scale to cope with our volumes and if I remember rightly there was also something about different software versions on different Postini deployments. The plan is certainly to use ones in the EU ultimately (we started on the EU platform, but moved over during the trial phase for the reasons above). I don't know when Postini will be ready to move the traffic back, but if there is a compelling reason to push them I think that's a discussion we could definitely have.
Ian
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30-04-2008 11:12 PM
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Quote from: Ian We're using the US implementation because it has better scale to cope with our volumes and if I remember rightly there was also something about different software versions on different Postini deployments. The plan is certainly to use ones in the EU ultimately (we started on the EU platform, but moved over during the trial phase for the reasons above). I don't know when Postini will be ready to move the traffic back, but if there is a compelling reason to push them I think that's a discussion we could definitely have.
Ian
I'll try to find you a bigger wedge, then.
Over and out.
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30-04-2008 11:14 PM
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Thanks for that. 73s.
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Re: why is my e-mail being routed via the US ?
01-05-2008 8:03 PM
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Having just read the controversy about Postini and e.mail
I must say I' m now receiving far more junk than before you switched....
Perhaps
"We have also switched off all of the old spam filtering on our mail delivery servers."
has something to do with it? Did Plus Net ever advise customers about the routing through
the US I wonder?
I must say I' m now receiving far more junk than before you switched....
Perhaps
"We have also switched off all of the old spam filtering on our mail delivery servers."
has something to do with it? Did Plus Net ever advise customers about the routing through
the US I wonder?
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